[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kefln

Ashleigh is a smart girl. She seems to be able to read the situation like a book.

Helen isn't smart and she'll only pick on people that are defenseless. She said it herself, Ashleigh is in a very strong position. Everyone in the house knows it. So Helen is keeping the ****** away from her. No matter what the girl says.

Last nights episode had two "fights". The first was between Ashleigh and Helen. It was quiet, controlled and in private. The others, sitting outside, were dying to hear what was being said.

The second was between Helen, and co, versus Chris. Public, loud, cursing, not letting Chris finish a sentence.

Compare the two. Who had the upper hand in each situation? Who is the dominant female?

Just to compound the point, who did Helen go to before the second fight? Before anything was said outside, she explained herself to Ashleigh.

She wasn't so smart reading that book of lets get Ash out,was she?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite being younger, Ashleigh is far more mature than Helen. I'm so tired of hearing Helen's droney voice banging on and on, never for a moment thinking that there's an outside possibility that she may be wrong about anything.

Helen claims she's "honest" and "tells it like it is". What that actually translates to in the real world is that she's rude, tactless and doesn't know when to shut tf up.

That was beautiful :')

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She wasn't so smart reading that book of lets get Ash out,was she?

She got Ash up. It was the public lacking in smarts.

Ashleigh can't control the votes.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Helen has said on many occasions she is wrong,she sometimes doesn't articulate things too well,but usually there is truth as to what she says,that is my opinion anyway.

She articulates things as well as anyone else in the house. She's tactless though, and aggressive. When people say she would have been a nightmare at school, they're right. Most people have had a Helen in their life at one time or another, and it's not been a pleasant experience. Frankly I'm amazed that she's got any support at all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That was beautiful :')

Made me LOL...

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

She wasn't so smart reading that book of lets get Ash out,was she?

You mean the week that she openly said that she wanted to get Ash nominated and he was? That week was it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

She articulates things as well as anyone else in the house. She's tactless though, and aggressive. When people say she would have been a nightmare at school, they're right. Most people have had a Helen in their life at one time or another, and it's not been a pleasant experience. Frankly I'm amazed that she's got any support at all.

Nevermind a nightmare at school, a nightmare at anywhere.... what a foul mouthed, rude, hypocritical bully she is. Shame we had to listen to her for the entirety of the series, i would have liked to have seen how the dynamics would have shifted had she gone a while back

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Livia

She articulates things as well as anyone else in the house. She's tactless though, and aggressive. When people say she would have been a nightmare at school, they're right. Most people have had a Helen in their life at one time or another, and it's not been a pleasant experience. Frankly I'm amazed that she's got any support at all.

The loud and the rude will always have a following.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nevermind a nightmare at school, a nightmare at anywhere.... what a foul mouthed, rude, hypocritical bully she is. Shame we had to listen to her for the entirety of the series, i would have liked to have seen how the dynamics would have shifted had she gone a while back

Actually I'm kind of glad she didn't get kicked out. Simply because we've gotten to watch how a real aggressive person works. It all goes back to who she argues with and how.

I find it amusing how Helen tiptoes around a much younger girl, half her size, who rarely raises her voice.

You can only be a bully when the target is afraid. Ashleigh isn't afraid. Helen stays away.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite being younger, Ashleigh is far more mature than Helen. I'm so tired of hearing Helen's droney voice banging on and on, never for a moment thinking that there's an outside possibility that she may be wrong about anything.

Helen claims she's "honest" and "tells it like it is". What that actually translates to in the real world is that she's rude, tactless and doesn't know when to shut tf up.

CHRISTOPHER BIGGENS GOT IT RIGHT ON LAST NIGHT BOTS SHOW...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by kefln

The loud and the rude will always have a following.

That is not why I like her,but then again I don't suppose people are interested in that side,no need for the back handed insults either!!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nevermind a nightmare at school, a nightmare at anywhere.... what a foul mouthed, rude, hypocritical bully she is. Shame we had to listen to her for the entirety of the series, i would have liked to have seen how the dynamics would have shifted had she gone a while back

So true. Overpowering, empty vessels and squeaky wheels get all the attention. We've waited weeks for Christopher to come out of his shell. Had Helen, the gob on a stick, gone early on things could have been so different.

Something else I thought was quite telling about her, having been away from her kid for the whole summer, is she planning something great when she gets out? No. She's planning a trip to Ibiza with her mates.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is not why I like her,but then again I don't suppose people are interested in that side,no need for the back handed insults either!!

Why DO you like her, Kaz? I'd never for a moment have you down as a Helen fan.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is not why I like her,but then again I don't suppose people are interested in that side,no need for the back handed insults

Don't know where to start with that one. Choosing to be insulted was your choice, not mine, it was a general statement about BB. Liking how you have decided what people are thinking and interested in...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually I'm kind of glad she didn't get kicked out. Simply because we've gotten to watch how a real aggressive person works. It all goes back to who she argues with and how.

I find it amusing how Helen tiptoes around a much younger girl, half her size, who rarely raises her voice.

You can only be a bully when the target is afraid. Ashleigh isn't afraid. Helen stays away.

Yep so true

Originally Posted by Livia

So true. Overpowering, empty vessels and squeaky wheels get all the attention. We've waited weeks for Christopher to come out of his shell. Had Helen, the gob on a stick, gone early on things could have been so different.

Something else I thought was quite telling about her, having been away from her kid for the whole summer, is she planning something great when she gets out? No. She's planning a trip to Ibiza with her mates.

I know right :/

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Helen has said on many occasions she is wrong,she sometimes doesn't articulate things too well,but usually there is truth as to what she says,that is my opinion anyway.

Come on, the only time that's happened was when she got pulled for her behaviour by big brother.

An instance of her vileness could be seen last night when Ashleigh and chris explained what they were actually talking about when Helen half heard from the toilet. now remember how Helen reacted to this even getting an apology from a confused chris.

Point is, Helen didn't even offer an apology when it was explained to her that they were actuall giving reasons as to why they had actually come round to liking her.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why DO you like her, Kaz? I'd never for a moment have you down as a Helen fan.

I really disliked her when she first went in,hated the fact that she slept with Wayne Rooney,that was my main reason,didn't like her being awful to Jale and in the row with Danielle,I actually was on Danielles side,over the weeks however I have seen a few things in Helen that I think we all have,yes she swears like a trooper,but I wont hold that against her,I think during life she has had a lot of negativity and it shows,I don't think she is that confident hence the surgery she's had,she shouts too much,but that's hardly a crime,i like that she sees the bad things in herself,she knows she is aggressive and angry,maybe she can get help for that,I just think she would be a loyal friend ,she jumps the gun far too quickly,she needs to listen more,but on the whole I don't think she is all bad as some would have us believe,she's not my fave by any means,but I much prefer her to Ashleigh,who imo has done nothing really of interest,her storyline is mainly based round the feud with Helen,and I think Helen has been an entertaining housemate in the sense she gets stuck into tasks,is up for a laugh and has been the centre of a lot of storylines,I just see a kind of sadness in Helen,are you asleep yet Livia? lol so that is a summary of how Helen has changed for me.I kinda feel sorry for her with some of the comments she has heard,must hurt deep down.

[Mick]

One thing I have wondered about Helen......Does she behave in this way at her Business premises and if so does she have any customers.?

The age difference and life experience should have worked against Ashleigh yet every time she has bested Helen.The Evil plan was not evil she used her mind not her mouth.

This was the moment when Helen realised she had met her match and Ashleigh has owned her good and proper ever since.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really disliked her when she first went in,hated the fact that she slept with Wayne Rooney,that was my main reason,didn't like her being awful to Jale and in the row with Danielle,I actually was on Danielles side,over the weeks however I have seen a few things in Helen that I think we all have,yes she swears like a trooper,but I wont hold that against her,I think during life she has had a lot of negativity and it shows,I don't think she is that confident hence the surgery she's had,she shouts too much,but that's hardly a crime,i like that she sees the bad things in herself,she knows she is aggressive and angry,maybe she can get help for that,I just think she would be a loyal friend ,she jumps the gun far too quickly,she needs to listen more,but on the whole I don't think she is all bad as some would have us believe,she's not my fave by any means,but I much prefer her to Ashleigh,who imo has done nothing really of interest,her storyline is mainly based round the feud with Helen,and I think Helen has been an entertaining housemate in the sense she gets stuck into tasks,is up for a laugh and has been the centre of a lot of storylines,I just see a kind of sadness in Helen,are you asleep yet Livia? lol so that is a summary of how Helen has changed for me.I kinda feel sorry for her with some of the comments she has heard,must hurt deep down.

Ok all valid points.

The other side of things, that is to say the reasons for disliking her. She comes from a fairly comfortable background, yet acts rough as nails. She was a prostitute. She has a foul mouth and tends to pick on the weak around her. Her "storylines" tend to be about her almost relationship with Ash and the fights that she has been involved in. I personally don't find someone picking on others to be entertainment. Most of the comments against her have been of her own doing. And she really can't cope with someone criticising her, despite being the first person to openly criticise others.

I don't buy the whole "sadness" angle because she is her own worst enemy. An overly aggressive, loud mouth, with a bad attitude, who only picks on the weakest around her, is not sad. Its the kind of person that I have no interest in.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Mick

One thing I have wondered about Helen......Does she behave in this way at her Business premises and if so does she have any customers.?

A business is a business. She wouldn't act the same way in front of her customers.

But I can't imagine what she'd be like to live near. Could you imagine having a drunken loud mouth shout obscenities at you on a regular basis?

Originally Posted by Mick

The age difference and life experience should have worked against Ashleigh yet every time she has bested Helen.The Evil plan was not evil she used her mind not her mouth.

This was the moment when Helen realised she had met her match and Ashleigh has owned her good and proper ever since.

It comes down to the type of person that they are, and intelligence has to be come into it.

[bots]

Don't think Ashleigh owns Helen at all. In an artificial environment like BB, people can appear stronger/better than they really are.

There is a lot about Helen's character that is not pretty, and some of it is downright ugly, but I have also seen other sides to her character that make her very appealing and endearing, believe it or not. So, I would say, very conflicted character, but most certainly not the vile beast that many portray her as.

Ashleigh wears a mask of acceptability most of the time, in contrast to Helen, I have seen moments where her character has been ugly but because her usual face is more acceptable, people warm more to Ashleigh than Helen.

I think both would be a nightmare to live with, but if I had to choose between them, it would be Helen every time

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by MelihV

Ashleigh doesnt deserve to win. But chris and christopher does

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-6...eserved-winner


The top comment for that upload on Facebook is

Ashleigh deserves to win!! Like if you agree!!!

673 likes and rising

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/day-6...eserved-winner


The top comment for that upload on Facebook is

Ashleigh deserves to win!! Like if you agree!!!

673 likes and rising

[kefln]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Don't think Ashleigh owns Helen at all. In an artificial environment like BB, people can appear stronger/better than they really are.

There is a lot about Helen's character that is not pretty, and some of it is downright ugly, but I have also seen other sides to her character that make her very appealing and endearing, believe it or not. So, I would say, very conflicted character, but most certainly not the vile beast that many portray her as.

Ashleigh wears a mask of acceptability most of the time, in contrast to Helen, I have seen moments where her character has been ugly but because her usual face is more acceptable, people warm more to Ashleigh than Helen.

I think both would be a nightmare to live with, but if I had to choose between them, it would be Helen every time

Everyone wears a mask. Thats normal. Its completely natural to complain about those that we dislike. Its completely not acceptable to shout people down and hurl insults at people.

I know who I prefer, based entirely on how they have conducted themselves in the house.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That is not why I like her,but then again I don't suppose people are interested in that side,no need for the back handed insults either!!

Nor me Kazanne,I have come across as bad language from schoolkids,equally loud too.

Sadly, really foul language is almost the norm now and few bat an eyelid when they hear it.
I never use foul language,I see no need to but I don't judge people who do use it.

I find both Ashleigh and Helen,unpleasant for different reasons.
Helen doesn't think before she speaks, she would be a nightmare to reason with if she had the misguided idea you were against her.
However at least I would be in no doubt where I stood as to her, she would fire off at me if she didn't like me and I do feel she would be a loyal friend to those who she knows,that is an important word,'knows', she could trust.

Ashleigh is someone I would avoid because I have come across so many like her, 2 faced.
They cause endless difficulties for others because few know where they really stand with them, what they think of them,or what they are saying as to them to others behind their back.

For me,just in my view, if they were both packages, Helen comes wrapped up in brown paper, Ashleigh in pretty decorated paper.
However, what is the design of the wrapper often conceals the real content of what is inside the package and for me, Helen is a far more interesting and easier to read package than Ashleigh.
Ashleigh on the other hand would leave me wondering if you could ever tread easily around it or ever know whether it was really good for you or not.

That is why Helen gets my support of the 2,I am not bothered that they can both be aggressive, loud and foul mouthed,none of that comes into play with me at all.