[Denver]

Originally Posted by LukeB

she is a vegetarian its mos likely its true, and yes we have, when they was doing a one word game ashleigh was offended by her dog getting killed in the story. even her boyfriend says she cries at sick animal adverts

So you can only be a vegetarian if you help animal shelters? She didnt have a problem playing a game that involved touching dead fish

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by adamski94

I think i would as i wouldnt change to please anyone

That's just belligerence on your part then. In life, you're going to have to adapt and conform.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Pauline was a bully but helen isnt yes she says horrible things but she doesnt make them sit out like pauline

helen is a bully though, look at her record
-ofcom complaints
and a formal warning for it
she would of been more popular if she wasn't an bully

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

i was talking about Ashleigh playing the sweetness and light card.. but hey, your post described Ashleigh, so cheers

Yes, and I asked when she had done this? No one who likes her thinks she is. People who like her admire her toughness.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

In a house where any issue can be used to nominate you and you have to wake up with that person the next day... No, you wouldn't.

And who would waste the time with some people to do that? I certainly wouldn't on a person like Helen who flies off the handle at anyone questioning her.

You cant tell someone how they would act in that position, i for one agree, i wouldn't change who i was or what i believe in to suit other people, whether it would get me nominated or not

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

She isolated Jale as much as Pauline and referred to her as a slug to her mates for the first week. She treated Chris like something she had just trodden in on the first night.

Look back soon as pauline went she realised it was wrong and grew to like jale also big brother pointed her in the right direction

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by adamski94

So you can only be a vegetarian if you help animal shelters? She didnt have a problem playing a game that involved touching dead fish

she proberly didn't want to do it but she had to work as a team.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Look back soon as pauline went she realised it was wrong and grew to like jale also big brother pointed her in the right direction

So she only stopped after multiple warnings and BB pointing her in the right direction?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

That's just belligerence on your part then. In life, you're going to have to adapt and conform.

I think you find its being true to myself if people dont like me its there problem not mine

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LukeB

she proberly didn't want to do it but she had to work as a team.

If she didnt agree in it she would of said no

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Yes, and I asked when she had done this? No one who likes her thinks she is. People who like her admire her toughness.

She's constantly walking around with that stupid dog in her hands and I've heard her on many occasions bring up the fact that shes 'only an 18 year old girl' she thinks she can get away with things because of her age and how she looks and that's not a good trait to have in life, if you do or say something bad, you have to be willing to man up and take the consequences

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

You cant tell someone how they would act in that position, i for one agree, i wouldn't change who i was or what i believe in to suit other people, whether it would get me nominated or not

Then you probably wouldn't go on on BB in the first place. And if you did, you'd probably be out first.

It's not a question of changing what you believe in. It's a question of letting other people get on with what they believe. If it offends you, then you go off and have a rant about it.

If you wouldn't change for anyone, why would you expect someone to change for you? What would be the point in confronting Helen on an issue if she's the same?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by adamski94

I think you find its being true to myself if people dont like me its there problem not mine

This

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by adamski94

If she didnt agree in it she would of said no

and make the team fail? and get backlash for it? everyone do things they dont want to do but they have to if they want to win a task

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by adamski94

I think you find its being true to myself if people dont like me its there problem not mine

That depends what being true to yourself entails doesn't it...

[Yaki da]

And people are questioning Ashleigh's work for animal charities because she handled a dead fish in a task?

These debates get more and more absurd.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

That depends what being true to yourself entails doesn't it...

Being true to yourself would mean being exactly as i am in normal life

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Being true to yourself would mean being exactly as i am in normal life

Yes, and it may be legitimate for someone to have a problem with you, if that entails you behaving like Helen.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Then you probably wouldn't go on on BB in the first place. And if you did, you'd probably be out first.

It's not a question of changing what you believe in. It's a question of letting other people get on with what they believe. If it offends you, then you go off and have a rant about it.

If you wouldn't change for anyone, why would you expect someone to change for you? What would be the point in confronting Helen on an issue if she's the same?

If i went out early for being myself and standing up for myself and what i believe in then i'd walk out with my head held high because i know id have done myself and my family proud.
At the end of the day, it might be a game show to win money and popularity, but i wouldn't be changing my morals and the way i've been brought up for anyone and if people don't like that, then there's nothing i could do about it

[JayBlaze]

Originally Posted by waterhog

because she has everything most lady's wished they had - strength - dignity - front humor the lot. ashligh is the full package.

Yep all ladies want her acne

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

If i went out early for being myself and standing up for myself and what i believe in then i'd walk out with my head held high because i know id have done myself and my family proud.

Depends what you believe in. I daresay Helen has been true to herself... She's still an awful person.

At the end of the day, it might be a game show to win money and popularity, but i wouldn't be changing my morals and the way i've been brought up for anyone and if people don't like that, then there's nothing i could do about it

Sure, but you also have to respect that other people differ on their approach. If that bothers you, what are you going to do about it? Just sit and talk with that other person? What if they react violently to your criticisms? It's not as simple as "I must stay true to myself"

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Depends what you believe in. I daresay Helen has been true to herself... She's still an awful person.




Sure, but you also have to respect that other people differ on their approach. If that bothers you, what are you going to do about it? Just sit and talk with that other person? What if they react violently to your criticisms? It's not as simple as "I must stay true to myself"

Dont get me wrong, i know what you're saying, but I've been raised to be able to defend my points and listen to other peoples, if people dont like my opinions or stances on things, then its their right, but its also my right to say what i feel when i think i need to

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Dont get me wrong, i know what you're saying, but I've been raised to be able to defend my points and listen to other peoples, if people dont like my opinions or stances on things, then its their right, but its also my right to say what i feel when i think i need to

Sure. But if someone tells you to bore off or go "**** yourself", I defy you not to end up at the very least discussing that person negatively with someone who you are friends with.

[poppsywoppsy]

Helen has a good complexion with few problems but it doesn't stop her being an out and out nasty person who is hugely disliked.

Ashleigh might have a skin condition but it doesn't stop her from being liked.

There will be a few who don't like Ashleigh, but what has a skin condition, mainly caused by her age and poor diet in the house, got to do with being liked.

[mizzmee]

I don't think she's hated but here is my theory about why some people find it hard to connect with her.
She never played the victim. She could have but didn't. She could have broken down in tears over the bullying she received from a woman nearly 10 years older than her but instead she stood up for herself, gave as good as she got and never felt sorry for herself.
She could have justifiably cried her eyes out on many occasions but instead she chose to vent.
She is very pretty and cant hhelp that so because she is also a tough cookie people don't feel she has been bullied and so lack a connection for her.