[wormsinfested]

Helen is a douchy scumbag who only cries when its herself that gets the heat and laugh at everybody else when they are sad.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought the task was really heartless as she's more or less been put on trial by the public and the press over the rooney thing. It is bias they want to create drama and this was a way to do it it was totally unfair.
'It's always me' yes it is, getting 100% blame for that idiots infidelity and for creating the divide when it was clear ashleigh just disliked helen from the get go.

Exactly. Even on night 1 Danielle was talking behind Helen's back about "seeing problems" creating negativity and who did she befriend? Ashleigh.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. Even on night 1 Danielle was talking behind Helen's back about "seeing problems" creating negativity and who did she befriend? Ashleigh.

Was that the same night that Helen and Tamara hid in the toilet and started calling Jale "Slugworth" based solely on her appearance? And the night that Pauline saw Chris's VT, in which he was clearly joking around, and she told everyone that he was going to piss in the kitchen. Which led to the most awkward looking for a bed scene ever.

So creating negativity, who did it best?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Was that the same night that Helen and Tamara hid in the toilet and started calling Jale "Slugworth" based solely on her appearance? And the night that Pauline saw Chris's VT, in which he was clearly joking around, and she told everyone that he was going to piss in the kitchen. Which led to the most awkward looking for a bed scene ever.

So creating negativity, who did it best?

Bless, because I said Helen was blameless didn't I? Don't jump to conclusions dear.

Slugsworth didn't happen until later in week 2 but no matter.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kefln

Was that the same night that Helen and Tamara hid in the toilet and started calling Jale "Slugworth" based solely on her appearance? And the night that Pauline saw Chris's VT, in which he was clearly joking around, and she told everyone that he was going to piss in the kitchen. Which led to the most awkward looking for a bed scene ever.

So creating negativity, who did it best?

Pauline without a doubt.

[bots]

I don't understand why more people aren't seeing that BB is messing with all the hm's heads, manipulating hm's into positions of conflict, testing the limits of acceptable human behaviour toward each other.

I'm not attempting to excuse Helen's or anyone elses behaviour, but BB has pushed the buttons and waited for the fur to fly. Many of the remaining hm's look completely drained to me, including Ash who is the most laid back of them all.

If we are starting to see peoples vulnerable sides, its no surprise to me. But the qualities I like in Helen, I have been noticing more and more for weeks now. She is pretty transparent in all she does, good and bad shine through pretty clearly. After that, its just personal opinion as to whether you like the person or not - same as it is with every other person on the planet.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Bless, because I said Helen was blameless didn't I? Don't jump to conclusions dear.

Thats sweet...dropping Daneille and Ashleigh together, along with the words "night 1" and "creating negativity"...and when someone comes along and points out they were all at it...

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Slugsworth didn't happen until later in week 2 but no matter.

Actually Helen came up with the name Slugsworth on June 7th, with Tamara in the toilet. But why let facts get in the way?

And in case you need reminding, in the toilet, after slating Chris, calling him a dick and wanting him to ****** off, based solely on what Pauline had reported about the VT's. Helen said that she liked everyone else, and to quote "apart from the slug, slugsworth, can that be our own private nickname?".

And we are back to creating negativity, something that you said was an issue.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Pauline without a doubt.

And I'd agree. Pauline was a total nightmare of an individual.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kefln

And I'd agree. Pauline was a total nightmare of an individual.

She poisoned the minds against many HMs early on, chris, jale mainly, did that have an effect as the power housemate as to how they were treated by the rest of the house? Yes.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Actually Helen came up with the name Slugsworth on June 7th, with Tamara in the toilet. But why let facts get in the way?

And in case you need reminding, in the toilet, after slating Chris, calling him a dick and wanting him to ****** off, based solely on what Pauline had reported about the VT's. Helen said that she liked everyone else, and to quote "apart from the slug, slugsworth, can that be our own private nickname?".

And we are back to creating negativity, something that you said was an issue.

Responding to someone else's point about something else entirely. But you can't handle it so let's drag a load of other people into it. Yes, they were negative, does that somehow mean Ashleigh and Danielle weren't? No.

My main point is that Danielle and Ashleigh didn't need any encouraging before they immediately put a divide/wall between themselves and Helen, Danielle doing it within minutes. Helen/Pauline/Jale/Chris has zero to do with it.

But then she's come out and admitted to a fully fledged game plan so we know it for a fact anyway.

Originally Posted by kefln

Thats sweet...dropping Daneille and Ashleigh together, along with the words "night 1" and "creating negativity"...and when someone comes along and points out they were all at it...

Because when a discussion is based on a particular topic/person, I stick to it. I don't feel the need to constantly drag other things into it.

Whether Helen, Pauline or bloody Tamara were being negative doesn't change the point about Danielle and Ashleigh.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Responding to someone else's point about something else entirely. But you can't handle it so let's drag a load of other people into it. Yes, they were negative, does that somehow mean Ashleigh and Danielle weren't? No.

My main point is that Danielle and Ashleigh didn't need any encouraging before they immediately put a divide/wall between themselves and Helen, Danielle doing it within minutes. Helen/Pauline/Jale/Chris has zero to do with it.

But then she's come out and admitted to a fully fledged game plan so we know it for a fact anyway.

And I could say that you can't handle when some brings up a point contrary to your own. Its easily said.

You put Danielle and Ashleigh into a statement about "creating negativity" on day one. What you completely failed to mention was that the conversation that Daneille had was about Tamara, that she had a sixth sense that they weren't going to get on. Something that she admitted was based on first impressions. And she had this conversation with Matthew after he asked her if there was anyone she didn't like from their initial meetings. This was part of a larger conversation where they were discussing Pauline having to make snap judgements on people based on VT's, and how difficult that would be.

Ashleigh had nothing to do with that conversation. You chose to make that link. Daneille's point wasn't made maliciously, it was part of a conversation and she was answering a question, based on how you would chose to punish and reward someone after just meeting them.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because when a discussion is based on a particular topic/person, I stick to it. I don't feel the need to constantly drag other things into it.

Whether Helen, Pauline or bloody Tamara were being negative doesn't change the point about Danielle and Ashleigh.

In response to your misleading points and connections, I brought up actual conversations that created negativity, both those aren't what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about creating negativity in the house at least try to find actual examples, instead of making tenuous links, based on half facts.

[Daffodil]

All of the housemates have vulnerable sides, but Helen's assertive dominance makes her vulnerability look greater than normal people's.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

And I could say that you can't handle when some brings up a point contrary to your own. Its easily said.

You put Danielle and Ashleigh into a statement about "creating negativity" on day one. What you completely failed to mention was that the conversation that Daneille had was about Tamara, that she had a sixth sense that they weren't going to get on. Something that she admitted was based on first impressions. And she had this conversation with Matthew after he asked her if there was anyone she didn't like from their initial meetings. This was part of a larger conversation where they were discussing Pauline having to make snap judgements on people based on VT's, and how difficult that would be.

Ashleigh had nothing to do with that conversation. You chose to make that link. Daneille's point wasn't made maliciously, it was part of a conversation and she was answering a question, based on how you would chose to punish and reward someone after just meeting them.


In response to your misleading points and connections, I brought up actual conversations that created negativity, both those aren't what you want to talk about.

If you want to talk about creating negativity in the house at least try to find actual examples, instead of making tenuous links, based on half facts.

Oh dear, like a dog with a bone.

Your points were irrelevant to the discussion you joined in with. Accept it and move on.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh dear, like a dog with a bone.

Your points were irrelevant to the discussion you joined in with. Accept it and move on.

Aaawww...Its hard when people refute made up points with detailed facts isn't it? Easier to dismiss them...call them irrelevant...

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I disagree. She admits her faults and always says sorry when she does wrong.

I'd have to disagree. Quite often she does, but in this trial task she couldn't even admit that she's played a part in the divide... Almost every hm has played their part in the divide imo, and because Helen and Ashleigh are stronger characters it's been pinned on them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Aaawww...Its hard when people refute made up points with detailed facts isn't it? Easier to dismiss them...call them irrelevant...

Responding to "Danielle was negative" with "Helen is negative too" isn't refuting made up points, it's derailing what was said. Helen being negative has no effect on the point I was making about Danielle.

But continue to derail.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Responding to "Danielle was negative" with "Helen is negative too" isn't refuting made up points, it's derailing what was said. Helen being negative has no effect on the point I was making about Danielle.

But continue to derail.

I'm sorry, but making things up about Danielle, taking a conversation out of context, changing who the conversation was about and linking it to someone that wasn't there, is derailing.

If you can't stick to events that actually happened and need to make stuff up to prove a point, then the debate has no meaning.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by kefln

I'm sorry, but making things up about Danielle, taking a conversation out of context, changing who the conversation was about and linking it to someone that wasn't there, is derailing.

If you can't stick to events that actually happened and need to make stuff up to prove a point, then the debate has no meaning.

It's pretty common knowledge that Danielle was a miserable ballsack the entire time she was there.. apart from the time that she was creeping on Winston

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I loved it last night. I have been waiting for her to show her nicer side in ages! I have noticed the comments on facebook gradually warming. Now there are Helen fans there and i never thought it would happen! BOTS audience also liking her. Why do you think the tide is turning? She was the most hated housemate not long ago, but most people actually quite like her now.

Helen attracted so much hate just because of the free pass which wasnt her fault.
I think there were a lot of people that liked her but were afraid to say so because of some of the aggression aimed at her by so many others.
Im glad that snideleighs reign of terror is oven and everyone has seen her for the horrible malicious girl she really is.

Helen deserves this.
She might not win but a top 3 finish will be a victory for all her supporters.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

I'm sorry, but making things up about Danielle, taking a conversation out of context, changing who the conversation was about and linking it to someone that wasn't there, is derailing.

If you can't stick to events that actually happened and need to make stuff up to prove a point, then the debate has no meaning.

Yeah, I completely made that up. Danielle wasn't negative at all.

She didn't spend the first week isolating herself and anyone she could ensnare whining with her fake offence at bad language and sex. Which she's admitted to as her game plan so is proving my point.

Who caused Helen's first outburst? Oh yeah, Danielle calling the girls slags. I imagined that too.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It's pretty common knowledge that Danielle was a miserable ballsack the entire time she was there.. apart from the time that she was creeping on Winston

My statement was a direct reply to Marsh's, saying that Danielle was talking behind Helen's back on day one, spreading negativity, and that it relates to Ashleigh.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, I completely made that up. Danielle wasn't negative at all.

Actually you did:

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. Even on night 1 Danielle was talking behind Helen's back about "seeing problems" creating negativity and who did she befriend? Ashleigh.

This never happened. And because it never happened what has it got to do with Ashleigh.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She didn't spend the first week isolating herself and anyone she could ensnare whining with her fake offence at bad language and sex. Which she's admitted to as her game plan so is proving my point.

And who's derailing the conversation now?

You "point" was on what happen on the first night. And at what point did I "defend" Danielle, I simply pointed out that your statement was wrong and that others were far worse on the first/second night.

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who caused Helen's first outburst? Oh yeah, Danielle calling the girls slags. I imagined that too.

Derailing...as you would put it...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

My statement was a direct reply to Marsh's, saying that Danielle was talking behind Helen's back on day one, spreading negativity, and that it relates to Ashleigh.

Danielle befriended Ashleigh, which coincided with Ashleigh starting to feature in the highlights more after being wallpaper for two weeks.

She then spent the highlights shows in the bedroom and pod isolated from the rest of the house right through to Toya then Danielle's evictions.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Derailing...as you would put it...

Well when you insist on pursuing an irrelevant point, I answered you to to put an end to it.

[Kizzy]

I can't move for straw men.....