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Liam- · 13-08-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mrflibble

One of the many reasons I hate Helen is because she is the ultimate personification of a school bully who hasn't grown up. I do wonder sometimes if Helen fans have ever been bullied. Helen reminds me of the girl who punched me in the stomach because I was fat (I was 8), the girl in high school who knocked my books off my desk whenever she walked past, the girl who would come up to me in front of everyone and call me 'big nose' or some other kind of shallow remark and then go off and laugh with her friends, leaving me sitting there alone with everyone staring and laughing. I was lucky in that I couldn't have cared less about what these people were saying because I don't have any respect for people like that and when I kept standing up to them (eg, 'you're fat' 'I know' *bully is confused*) and not giving them a reaction they eventually stopped. But I hated the attention and the isolation caused (partly from the bully and partly from me just feeling uncomfortable around everyone) and I know that these people are why I still feel uncomfortable when I leave the house and if I hear people laughing I think they're laughing at me. And I can't imagine what it would be like for people who would take their comments and actions to heart. And to me, Helen is one of those people who makes everyone's life a living hell. That's who I see.

And I wouldn't want anyone who has caused that much misery in someone's life to win something that re-affirms they are in the right. The only thing that Helen deserves to win is the ability to look at herself for who and what she is, not what she thinks she is, and to make positive changes in her life. Winning BB will not allow that.

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

abhorson · 13-08-2014, 07:27 PM

The great thing is though, that most don't want the bully to win.

jessicadanielle · 13-08-2014, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

Achilles · 13-08-2014, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

Liam- · 13-08-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I don't believe Ashleigh is a bully, but I could understand that her sort of slyness is quite characteristic of some bullies. Bullying isn't always shouting and screaming and overt namecalling. I can't quite make my mind up, but I kinda got the impression that she was being sly when she had her head on Ash's shoulder. Still undecided though.

At the same time, her slyness and manipulation to have Ash nominated in girl power week is only part of the game. I don't think Helen would have been kicking off if it had been boy power week and she found out Ash had been plotting to get Ashleigh nominated, for example. She was just hurt that Ashleigh had undercut her and kind of embarrassed her.

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid

Kazanne · 13-08-2014, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Achilles

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

She wanted to get rid of Ash to hurt Helen,that's nasty in my book

Kazanne · 13-08-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid

Yes you see them ten a penny in the corner of the playground,with a couple of other bitches with them,sneering and whispering,I know exactly what you mean Liam.

bots · 13-08-2014, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

To appease your curiosity i'll enlighten you, i am a fan of Helen i have indeed been bullied, quite severely i may add, but i am a fan of Helen because i dont see those 'bullying' characteristics in her, quite the opposite, i see them quite heavily in Ashleigh instead, she reminds me of the type of people who regularly made my life hell, it works both ways, people may have been bullied by people like Helen in the past, but just as many people have been bullied by people like Ashleigh

This is my view too, and i said it in a thread earlier today, and it was treated with scorn. I believe Helen has been the victim of bullying more than any other hm this year.

For those that missed it .... http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=261433

daniel-lewis-1985 · 13-08-2014, 07:41 PM

Tbf Big Brother has been the bully this year so why not?

Helen to win for me.

FlippingEck · 13-08-2014, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

She wanted to get rid of Ash to hurt Helen,that's nasty in my book

A lot of her actions have been to deliberately cause trouble and hurt people.. and then she sits back and watches.. she is a nasty vindictive little witch.

bots · 13-08-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Tbf Big Brother has been the bully this year so why not?

Helen to win for me.

I believe BB has been the biggest bully of them all

Liam- · 13-08-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes you see them ten a penny in the corner of the playground,with a couple of other bitches with them,sneering and whispering,I know exactly what you mean Liam.

I'm sick to death of seeing people claim that people like Ashleigh can't be bullies because she's some sort of superwoman sent from heaven

jessicadanielle · 13-08-2014, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I didn't say Ashleigh was a bully, i said people like her are bullies, sly, vindictive and two faced people are the worst kinds of people i'd ever want to be faced with in a situation like Big Brother.
The point i was trying to make is that no matter how many people say that Helen has 'stereotypical bullying traits' the same could be said for Ashleigh in equal amount.
I know a lot of people who's worst years of their lives were given to them at the hands of people like Ashleigh, girls and boys, yes, some also got treated badly by people like Helen, but i personally feel people with the traits that i see in Ashleigh on a daily basis while watching this show, are worse - People can disagree with me if they please, but i will always stand by that opinion I'm afraid

I didn't sayyyyy you thought she was a bully, I was just agreeing I don't think she is one either! And my post said a lot of what you said here, so looks like we agree

Kazanne · 13-08-2014, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FlippingEck

A lot of her actions have been to deliberately cause trouble and hurt people.. and then she sits back and watches.. she is a nasty vindictive little witch.

I wasn't bothered by her until she did that,I thought it very sly,so glad it backfired .

abhorson · 13-08-2014, 07:49 PM

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

jessicadanielle · 13-08-2014, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Achilles

When she wanted Ash evicted, Helen and Ash were being twats. There was a reason she wanted them evicted. She didn't just wake up one day and randomly decide she wanted to get rid of Ash. It was Ashleigh trying to get rid of the nasty gang.

I kind of agree, they had been pretty dickish to her. She wanted to show Helen she can't bang about the house acting like the boss all the time. I don't even think it was all that personal to Ash, more personal to Helen (though she didn't like Ash either obviously)

Robodog · 13-08-2014, 08:00 PM

Helen shouts - but that alone doesn't make her a bully. Her name calling of Jale was horrible. But Jale never thought of Helen as a bully. She seems to like her, in fact.

The closest i've seen to bullying in that house was Ashleigh and her 'evil plan'. She deliberately excluded Helen from the group of girls, manipulated them all into nominating Ash - just to hurt Helen.

Exclusion of one person, manipulating a group against them for the sole purpose of hurting that person - that's much more like bullying to me.

Liam- · 13-08-2014, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by abhorson

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

Achilles · 13-08-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LiamPRW

If a person was 'bullied' they wouldnt be able to make friends with the person who 'bullied' them, no matter how hard they tried

You claim you were bullied and support Helen, a bully, so why not?

FlippingEck · 13-08-2014, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by abhorson

Helens treatment of Jale was classic bully. No way around it i am afraid.

Interestingly Jale doesn't seem to agree... She was asked directly by an audience member on BOTS if she thought Helen was a bully and she said NO! funny that