[delta]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Yep and won't ever now that she's been rewarded from it

I was trying to explain to my mum (who is a Helen fan) how Helen is exactly like the girl who bullied me in highschool and she was just like 'but this is a show with adults'. Exactly! So Helen was that girl in school and still hasn't changed.

What bullying.

All I saw is people playing the victim card. Yes, Jale was an odd ball and still is, she is one of those negative people in the world that have a sign on them saying- I am a victim.

But as for Danielle, Ashliegh, Chris, they chose to withdraw from the group, they weren't ostracised it was in their nature to shy away and they found it easier to comment, watch, criticise abuse in the diary room their fellow housemates.


I don't agree with Emma W about they were all the same with regards to the bitching, the above were doing it in a secretive way, judging from high, where yes, the rest of the group would pass comment on the others but it was more of a reaction to their behavior and secretiveness. Surely, if you saw a group of people extricate themselves from the main housemates and were always looking down on you, literally, huddled and whenever you walked in a room the conversation would suddenly stop you would start to raise questions within yourself as to what their motives where.

Chris is naturally sly, I don't subscribe to all this bollox that he was using the diary room as sounding box, he was using it to try and influence the public, get his message directly across. All 3 of them were over awed in what they thought were bigger characters and instead of embracing the main group who were in there to enjoy themselves Winston, Helen, Ash, Steve, Mark they chose to poke nasty comments at them. That's where the divided began,

As for Mark, what an odd ball character he was, he openly admitted to not liking most of the human race but the likes of Ashliegh went straight to him and was still eulagising about him last night. If someone doesn't like you and makes it clear that he is generally a tw@t when it comes to being able to operate with in the social boundaries of other human beings there is going to be friction, and it's the not so confident on these forums who identify with these characters.

I bet non of the so called 'victims' in life who say they were bullied have taken away anything from this series. One of, the so called 'cool kids' aren't so different from you, you just have to up your game, let your self go and join in and not shy away. As soon as Danielle left we saw glimpses of Ashliegh's potential, but then she allied herself with Chris, another odd ball finger pointer.

'Tis a real shame 'cos the Ashleigh we all saw last night if she'd have only let her inhibitions are pre-defined notion of certain types of people go, as she did in the last few day of the house then she would have won this year's BB at a canter, as she didn't, the correct person did win it.


Viva Helen :ch eer2:

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by delta

What bullying.

All I saw is people playing the victim card. Yes, Jale was an odd ball and still is, she is one of those negative people in the world that have a sign on them saying- I am a victim.

But as for Danielle, Ashliegh, Chris, they chose to withdraw from the group, they weren't ostracised it was in their nature to shy away and they found it easier to comment, watch, criticise abuse in the diary room their fellow housemates.


I don't agree with Emma W about they were all the same with regards to the bitching, the above were doing it in a secretive way, judging from high, where yes, the rest of the group would pass comment on the others but it was more of a reaction to their behavior and secretiveness. Surely, if you saw a group of people extricate themselves from the main housemates and were always looking down on you, literally, huddled and whenever you walked in a room the conversation would suddenly stop you would start to raise questions within yourself as to what their motives where.

Chris is naturally sly, I don't subscribe to all this bollox that he was using the diary room as sounding box, he was using it to try and influence the public, get his message directly across. All 3 of them were over awed in what they thought were bigger characters and instead of embracing the main group who were in there to enjoy themselves Winston, Helen, Ash, Steve, Mark they chose to poke nasty comments at them. That's where the divided began,

As for Mark, what an odd ball character he was, he openly admitted to not liking most of the human race but the likes of Ashliegh went straight to him and was still eulagising about him last night. If someone doesn't like you and makes it clear that he is generally a tw@t when it comes to being able to operate with in the social boundaries of other human beings there is going to be friction, and it's the not so confident on these forums who identify with these characters.

I bet non of the so called 'victims' in life who say they were bullied have taken away anything from this series. One of, the so called 'cool kids' aren't so different from you, you just have to up your game, let your self go and join in and not shy away. As soon as Danielle left we saw glimpses of Ashliegh's potential, but then she allied herself with Chris, another odd ball finger pointer.

'Tis a real shame 'cos the Ashleigh we all saw last night if she'd have only let her inhibitions are pre-defined notion of certain types of people go, as she did in the last few day of the house then she would have won this year's BB at a canter, as she didn't, the correct person did win it.


Viva Helen :ch eer2:

The only people that played the sympathy card were Pav and Helen. There was plenty of bullying, I went through the exact same thing at school and that happened because the people in question decided I was too fat and ugly to have any respect. I did nothing to provoke them. Of course those people would keep themselves away from the group of people who were calling Jale a slug 5 minutes after meeting her and talking about how much they hated Chris 5 minutes after meeting him. Helen's gang took themselves away from that group as much as they took themselves away from Helen's group, the difference was Helen's group was looking down on them and laughing behind their back's and the other group looked to each other for support.

[delta]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

The only people that played the sympathy card were Pav and Helen. There was plenty of bullying, I went through the exact same thing at school and that happened because the people in question decided I was too fat and ugly to have any respect. I did nothing to provoke them. Of course those people would keep themselves away from the group of people who were calling Jale a slug 5 minutes after meeting her and talking about how much they hated Chris 5 minutes after meeting him. Helen's gang took themselves away from that group as much as they took themselves away from Helen's group, the difference was Helen's group was looking down on them and laughing behind their back's and the other group looked to each other for support.

Sorry to hear you were bullied but I didn't see any bullying, forceful opinion. Jale was an odd ball, I am not sure what it is about her but she does have an awful way of projecting herself and she seems to attract negativeness, She did lurk everywhere and was always listening in on conversations and rightly or wrongly that is why she was nicknamed 'the slug' of course we didn't see much of it but from what the supposed 'cool gang' was saying is that she was doing it a lot now that would annoy anyone. Yes and people in a group can be unaware of how joking comments can harm people with low confidence.

Once she stopped creeping around she was accepted into the main group. I don't agree that they were looking down on them, yes there were jokes but you could easily argue that they brought it on themselves.

I agree that Pav milked it to the max but hey, he was up against it and had to do anything to survive, to be honest I have never seen a housemate lose confidence so rapidly after going in the house. I don't see any difference between how Pav was treated in the beginning when he certainly had an agenda and nobody trusted him with the likes of Jale, once they both changed their ways and stopped acting freaky they were accepted with open arms.

If what you said about the likes of Ashliegh forming a group for self preservation when the perceived threat had diminished then surely their behavior would have changed, it didn't. Each time Ashliegh lost an ally to point fingers and judge from their Ivory Tower she chose another like minded soul.

It makes them feel better and helps them operate in this frightening world that they live in, their perception.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

The only people that played the sympathy card were Pav and Helen. There was plenty of bullying, I went through the exact same thing at school and that happened because the people in question decided I was too fat and ugly to have any respect. I did nothing to provoke them. Of course those people would keep themselves away from the group of people who were calling Jale a slug 5 minutes after meeting her and talking about how much they hated Chris 5 minutes after meeting him. Helen's gang took themselves away from that group as much as they took themselves away from Helen's group, the difference was Helen's group was looking down on them and laughing behind their back's and the other group looked to each other for support.

Yep and Helen's playing of the victim came in the last week, during a vote to win after a mock trial in which she was found "guilty" and after being put in a secret room to watch live coverage that was no doubt kept on Ashleigh all day just waiting for her to say something. It's like having a final 3 on I'm A Celebrity and giving only one finalist all 3 of the trials whilst the other 2 do nothing. Who do you think will get the most votes on a show like that?

And it's worth remembering Helen suggesting that Ashleigh was the one who would go to the diary room and play the victim. Ashleigh never did of course, but that's par for the course with Helen. Everything that woman accused others of she was more guilty of herself.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by delta

What bullying.

All I saw is people playing the victim card. Yes, Jale was an odd ball and still is, she is one of those negative people in the world that have a sign on them saying- I am a victim.

But as for Danielle, Ashliegh, Chris, they chose to withdraw from the group, they weren't ostracised it was in their nature to shy away and they found it easier to comment, watch, criticise abuse in the diary room their fellow housemates.


I don't agree with Emma W about they were all the same with regards to the bitching, the above were doing it in a secretive way, judging from high, where yes, the rest of the group would pass comment on the others but it was more of a reaction to their behavior and secretiveness. Surely, if you saw a group of people extricate themselves from the main housemates and were always looking down on you, literally, huddled and whenever you walked in a room the conversation would suddenly stop you would start to raise questions within yourself as to what their motives where.

Chris is naturally sly, I don't subscribe to all this bollox that he was using the diary room as sounding box, he was using it to try and influence the public, get his message directly across. All 3 of them were over awed in what they thought were bigger characters and instead of embracing the main group who were in there to enjoy themselves Winston, Helen, Ash, Steve, Mark they chose to poke nasty comments at them. That's where the divided began,

As for Mark, what an odd ball character he was, he openly admitted to not liking most of the human race but the likes of Ashliegh went straight to him and was still eulagising about him last night. If someone doesn't like you and makes it clear that he is generally a tw@t when it comes to being able to operate with in the social boundaries of other human beings there is going to be friction, and it's the not so confident on these forums who identify with these characters.

I bet non of the so called 'victims' in life who say they were bullied have taken away anything from this series. One of, the so called 'cool kids' aren't so different from you, you just have to up your game, let your self go and join in and not shy away. As soon as Danielle left we saw glimpses of Ashliegh's potential, but then she allied herself with Chris, another odd ball finger pointer.

'Tis a real shame 'cos the Ashleigh we all saw last night if she'd have only let her inhibitions are pre-defined notion of certain types of people go, as she did in the last few day of the house then she would have won this year's BB at a canter, as she didn't, the correct person did win it.


Viva Helen :ch eer2:

Disgusting.

There was definitely bullying. 100%. You didn't see it? Hmm, you must have missed the part where Helen and co started making nasty nicknames up for Jale and Christopher as early as Day 2 for no reason whatsoever, and the time Helen walked past Jale (who was minding her own business) and had a go at her in front of everyone, again for no reason whatsoever.

So, not only do you absolve Helen of all responsibility, but you're actually trying to make it Jale's fault? And then you go on to celebrate Helen?

I'm not even going to attempt to reason with your suggestion that people who are outsiders in life are so because of their own inability to "join in".

I hope to God you never become a counsellor for bullied kids. "Um, well you're clearly not making the effort, can you blame them for picking on you and leaving you out? Urgh, you're such a VICTIM WANNABEE!".