[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Judging by the clip I saw this morning of her talking with Dee it doesn't bode well!

oh, that's a bit of a shame... can't see her lasting long then

[T*]

Not even 24 hours and theres already transphobia. I hope karma makes it way around to you.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I guess she's genderqueer then, we should only use the pronouns that Kellie wishes us to use otherwise it is insulting to him or her.

Agree, was just pointing out that the usual 'she identifies as a woman' argument doesnt appear to apply here

[Denver]

Originally Posted by arista

Over 60
he left it to late

there is no age limit

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Kellie doesnt seem to identify as either man or woman though? From the little we have seen (and I only saw VTs and a little of LF) she sees herself as having both man and woman inside her...and a different personality for each :S

I'm a bit reluctant to go down this road on this forum again but if this is the case it sounds like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

I guess we'll learn more over the next few weeks

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm a bit reluctant to go down this road on this forum again but if this is the case it sounds like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender

I guess we'll learn more over the next few weeks

Tbh it came across to me as more of a split personality thing..she kinda made out like she had..suppressed her male side but it comes out when shes angry. The whole area is intriguing

[Heaven = Winner]

I'd call Kellie a woman, just because it's the respectful thing to do tbh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

She apparently disagrees.

No sh*t sherlock.

Originally Posted by adamski94

But her mind doesnt work that way inside she is a woman

Yes. Frankie is a woman's name.

Originally Posted by Tom!

Not even 24 hours and theres already transphobia. I hope karma makes it way around to you.

He'll get the tea and biscuits ready.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by RobInnes

I see Ermentrude for him tbh.

I prefer Emily.

[Nell_McCoy]

From what I have seen so far I like Kellie as a person and were I in her company i would have the good manners to refer to her as "she" and treat her as a woman, however I do not see this as some kind of right which a person can demand. Any woman has a right to regard an individual in possession of a penis as being male. If a man has the courage and tenacity to part with his penis and testicles I believe they then have a RIGHT to be regarded legally and in every other way as being female. Many people believe many bizarre things about themselves it does not necessarily make it so. I object to being referred to as a "Cis" woman, I am a woman and do not need the transgender community to create a prefix for me. I am NOT transphobic, I do not have an unnatural fear or dislike of transexual people, I support those wishing to have a sex change operation and would treat them with dignity and respect, until the operation is complete a M2F transexual is sadly, scientifically still male no matter how much they may wish otherwise.

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by warrenhill

No he hasnt.....

Hes poped a few pills and put a dress on .....

Just because you say you want to be a "women" doesnt mean to say you can be.

Maybe next time im getting car insurance i should say im a women and go to one of those companies that give big discounts for lady drivers (god knows why..)

There's no need for nastiness - and do keep up - those insurance companies have been stopped ! So get your facts right and learning to spell would be good

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

From what I have seen so far I like Kellie as a person and were I in her company i would have the good manners to refer to her as "she" and treat her as a woman, however I do not see this as some kind of right which a person can demand. Any woman has a right to regard an individual in possession of a penis as being male. If a man has the courage and tenacity to part with his penis and testicles I believe they then have a RIGHT to be regarded legally and in every other way as being female. Many people believe many bizarre things about themselves it does not necessarily make it so. I object to being referred to as a "Cis" woman, I am a woman and do not need the transgender community to create a prefix for me. I am NOT transphobic, I do not have an unnatural fear or dislike of transexual people, I support those wishing to have a sex change operation and would treat them with dignity and respect, until the operation is complete a M2F transexual is sadly, scientifically still male no matter how much they may wish otherwise.

But you are a cis woman, right? Cisgender means you're happy with the sex assigned at birth, Transgender being the opposite.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by warrenhill

No he hasnt.....

Hes poped a few pills and put a dress on .....

Just because you say you want to be a "women" doesnt mean to say you can be.

Maybe next time im getting car insurance i should say im a women and go to one of those companies that give big discounts for lady drivers (god knows why..)

This is kind of transphobic.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I prefer Emily.

Omg this bitch

[arista]

Originally Posted by adamski94

there is no age limit

Of Course

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

From what I have seen so far I like Kellie as a person and were I in her company i would have the good manners to refer to her as "she" and treat her as a woman, however I do not see this as some kind of right which a person can demand. Any woman has a right to regard an individual in possession of a penis as being male. If a man has the courage and tenacity to part with his penis and testicles I believe they then have a RIGHT to be regarded legally and in every other way as being female. Many people believe many bizarre things about themselves it does not necessarily make it so. I object to being referred to as a "Cis" woman, I am a woman and do not need the transgender community to create a prefix for me. I am NOT transphobic, I do not have an unnatural fear or dislike of transexual people, I support those wishing to have a sex change operation and would treat them with dignity and respect, until the operation is complete a M2F transexual is sadly, scientifically still male no matter how much they may wish otherwise.

Cisgender is not a word created by the transgender community, it's a sociological definition for people that feel their biological sex matches their assigned gender (which is what you're misunderstanding here, there is a difference between the two). It is anything but offensive, but some like to believe it is because it's a new word they've never seen before that looks a bit complicated~

[warrenhill]

I have spoken to BET 365 and they said...

"He is in there as a woman" .....


Anyway by the sound of things Kellie wont last that long in the house

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by warrenhill

I have spoken to BET 365 and they said...

"He is in there as a woman" .....


Anyway by the sound of things Kellie wont last that long in the house

They used the wrong pronoun then. it's she.

[Nell_McCoy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cisgender is not a word created by the transgender community, it's a sociological definition for people that feel their biological sex matches their assigned gender (which is what you're misunderstanding here, there is a difference between the two). It is anything but offensive, but some like to believe it is because it's a new word they've never seen before that looks a bit complicated~

The term has only been in use since the 1990's in relation to gender identity. That to me makes it a NEW word despite the fact that it is derived from Latin.
Don't I have the right to decide what I want to be called?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

The term has only been in use since the 1990's in relation to gender identity. That to me makes it a NEW word despite the fact that it is derived from Latin.
Don't I have the right to decide what I want to be called?

.. if it's a term that correctly describes your gender identity why would you be angry at this?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cisgender is not a word created by the transgender community, it's a sociological definition for people that feel their biological sex matches their assigned gender (which is what you're misunderstanding here, there is a difference between the two). It is anything but offensive, but some like to believe it is because it's a new word they've never seen before that looks a bit complicated~

I was trying to find out about that when Facebook added all of it's gender indenty options. I don't quite understand cisgender's definition though. You agree with your biological gender? So I'm a man and believe I'm a man, I am cisgender?

[Nell_McCoy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

.. if it's a term that correctly describes your gender identity why would you be angry at this?

How about because it is just ridiculous and women have had all kinds of male-defined labels attached to them for millenia, why should I not have the right to say that I do not wish to be labelled in this way? Furthermore I don't need to justify my feelings to a male who is no doubt still in his teens on an internet forum OK End of....

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nell_McCoy

How about because it is just ridiculous and women have had all kinds of male-defined labels attached to them for millenia, why should I not have the right to say that I do not wish to be labelled in this way? Furthermore I don't need to justify my feelings to a male who is no doubt still in his teens on an internet forum OK End of....

Not end of, unless you're not willing to listen to reason. "Cisgender" means you are happy with your assigned sex. I am a guy and happy being so, therefore I am cisgender. If you aren't, you aren't.

It isn't an offensive or degoratory label in any way shape or form. It's like refusing to be called "english" because you don't want to be labelled as such. It's purely trivial.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Cisgender means you're happy with the sex assigned at birth

They have a word for that?

[Nell_McCoy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Not end of, unless you're not willing to listen to reason. "Cisgender" means you are happy with your assigned sex. I am a guy and happy being so, therefore I am cisgender. If you aren't, you aren't.

It isn't an offensive or degoratory label in any way shape or form. It's like refusing to be called "english" because you don't want to be labelled as such. It's purely trivial.

But its OK for a person with a penis to demand to be called a woman....is "man" a derogatory term? I would have the good manners to refer to and treat a pre-op male to female TS as a woman I would therefore hope that they and others would have the good manners not to attach an unnecessary label to me, what is so difficult for you to comprehend about this? I have been married for over 30 years have seven children and five grandchildren I am a woman and I don't need a recently developed prefix to indicate that I am happy with my gender Thank You Very Much!