[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by letmein

It doesn't matter if he didn't mean to offend. The fact of the matter is he did. That's not an excuse.

Offended who? The straight man?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by delta

FFS- same old judgemental sh!t on this forum by the same posters.

If you look at the clip back you will see all 3 were making light of a possible homosexual 'happening' Leslie donned the white glove , Jordan bent over and as said " assume the position" Leslie then " made a one fingered stabbing motion towards the bent over James Jordan, it was at this point that Gary made - what he thought-rightly or wrongly his remark about getting butt fcuked.

How the hell you can isolate Gary for that is ridiculous. What you can say about the incident is that James Jordan is a GRADE A PR!CK.

First of all you don't threaten a 70 year old man.

Secondly, it' s quite clear that there isn't something quite right with Gary, so you cut him some slack.

James Jordan - as Louis Spence says- is an odious son of a biatch and feels threatened by Gary. There was no need to try and show Gary up or make a point of it, it could have passed as - at worst- an awkward moment.

perfect post. i saw it that way too.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

nope, i've seen him on many other reality shows, and he is always annoying and aggressive, but he's not hateful or homophobic at all.

..see, he just couldn't repress that with his type of personality for 70yrs could he..?..and then suddenly he goes on UK reality and something takes him over/he's possessed by anti gay demons.....with other past BB housemates, like Ron Atkinson, Jim Davidson etc..?...their whole controversies is because they had been known to view their prejudice which is how it would more likely be....

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..see, he just couldn't repress that with his type of personality for 70yrs could he..?..and then suddenly he goes on UK reality and something takes him over/he's possessed by anti gay demons.....with other past BB housemates, like Ron Atkinson, Jim Davidson etc..?...their whole controversies is because they had been known to view their prejudice which is how it would more likely be....

I don't think Gary's anti-gay at all though, i think the only reason he said that is because James says he is straight, so he thought he could joke with him about it. If Gary really though he was gay i don;t think Gary would have said that. I think James was just being overly sensitive because he really is gay.

[bots]

Originally Posted by letmein

It doesn't matter if he didn't mean to offend. The fact of the matter is he did. That's not an excuse.

If everyone went through life not able to do anything in case one might offend someone, there would be no point in living. Complete pseudo PC bollocks

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think Gary's anti-gay at all though, i think the only reason he said that is because James says he is straight, so he thought he could joke with him about it. If Gary really though he was gay i don;t think Gary would have said that. I think James was just being overly sensitive because he really is gay.

..hmm, I don't know if he's gay or not..I was thinking that his over-sensitivity could be that maybe he was teased/sniped at and insulted when he was younger for wanting to be a dancer..a bit 'Billy Elliot'..but even if that was so, then him being so over-sensitive for that reason would be in itself a prejudice, if that makes sense..?...

[lostalex]

There's no doubt that Gary is socially unaware and totally inappropriate, but that doesn't make him hateful or homophobic. **** he's just trying to relate to people and it's clear he's having trouble understanding people both because it;s a foreign country and his hearing is not good. That's what i see.

[waterhog]

i think he is very argumentative - this is not helped by his hearing problems. i am not totally convinced any of his points stand up as i am not sure of the points he is trying to argue are relevant. twists and turns make this very hard to judge.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by waterhog

i think he is very argumentative - this is not helped by his hearing problems. i am not totally convinced any of his points stand up as i am not sure of the points he is trying to argue are relevant. twists and turns make this very hard to judge.

I just think it was an off the cuff remark that he didn't even consider would be jumped on

[Macie Lightfoot]

Say what you want about James but Gary's comment was really graphic and I don't think just because he's a crazy person and "rofl it's Gary Busey" means he should be exempt from any criticism.

[Parmy]

Thing is, james wasnt making a gay joke..he was making a joke about a rectal examination from a doctor..gary made the gay joke..bloody funny it was as well.

[G1dds]

Seriously - at no point did I think Gary was being homophobic......and with the way James was coming back with quips like "I like a cheeky finger" clearly neither did he. How many times have jokes been said about dropping the soap in the shower etc. They are just tongue in cheek off the cuff comments.

James suddenly saw an opportunity to what he believed was to look like a hero and Alpha male. What he came across like was an arrogant pr!ck who I dislike more than I did before.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by G1dds

Seriously - at no point did I think Gary was being homophobic......and with the way James was coming back with quips like "I like a cheeky finger" clearly neither did he. How many times have jokes been said about dropping the soap in the shower etc. They are just tongue in cheek off the cuff comments.

James suddenly saw an opportunity to what he believed was to look like a hero and Alpha male. What he came across like was an arrogant pr!ck who I dislike more than I did before.

Agree ^^^

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by delta

FFS- same old judgemental sh!t on this forum by the same posters.

If you look at the clip back you will see all 3 were making light of a possible homosexual 'happening' Leslie donned the white glove , Jordan bent over and as said " assume the position" Leslie then " made a one fingered stabbing motion towards the bent over James Jordan, it was at this point that Gary made - what he thought-rightly or wrongly his remark about getting butt fcuked.

How the hell you can isolate Gary for that is ridiculous. What you can say about the incident is that James Jordan is a GRADE A PR!CK.

First of all you don't threaten a 70 year old man.

Secondly, it' s quite clear that there isn't something quite right with Gary, so you cut him some slack.

James Jordan - as Louis Spence says- is an odious son of a biatch and feels threatened by Gary. There was no need to try and show Gary up or make a point of it, it could have passed as - at worst- an awkward moment.

Well said, I agree totally

[bez87]

Not being funny but alot are siding with James?? I mean honestly it was a few jokes, I found it all funny, the fact is James is a stuck up know it all who thinks he knows best, if James did not want to get Gay jokes then why the hell did he bend over in the first place to a Gay man and act out a Gay proactive suggestion??? no one ever talks about that part always that gary took it a little bit further even tho it was funny as hell, one message for you James if you can't take a laugh about it, then don't do gay things in the first place.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

Yeah I'm surprised that it was Gary, coming into the thread I thought James would be the one making the jokes and Gary the one calling him out on them but they were harmless and he obviously didn't mean offence.

So if it had been James making the joke, would it have been as "harmless" and without offence?

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Well said, I agree totally

HE DID NOT THREATEN HIM!!!!!!! Good Lord.. did I watch a different show??

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just think it was an off the cuff remark that he didn't even consider would be jumped on

The thing is.. James wasn't making a homosexual reference. He was making a reference to a doctors examination.. It was Gary ASSUMING it was a homosexual reference based on the fact that a) Lesley is gay and b) James is a dancer.

The odious little cretin in all this is Busey. He needs removing from the house asap because he is not psychologically fit to be there

[bez87]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

The thing is.. James wasn't making a homosexual reference. He was making a reference to a doctors examination.. It was Gary ASSUMING it was a homosexual reference based on the fact that a) Lesley is gay and b) James is a dancer.

The odious little cretin in all this is Busey. He needs removing from the house asap because he is not psychologically fit to be there

Not being funny but bending over to a Gay man asking him to insert, is deffiantly refering to a homosexual remark what ever way you take it, gary was just being funny yes maybe he went a bit over board pushing it but there was no need for that kind of response, i calm and laugh it off response and a ok now it was funny but lets leave it, to me it actually showed how insecure james is about homosexuality, I mean him bending over to lesley could of been took as over the top.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

He was making a reference to a doctors examination.. It was Gary ASSUMING it was a homosexual reference based on the fact that a) Lesley is gay and b) James is a dancer.

LMAO

Oh god, this is too much

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just think it was an off the cuff remark that he didn't even consider would be jumped on

oh well if it was just off the cuff homophobia, rather than deep routed nasty bilious homophobia, that's perfectly acceptable. My apologies.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by delta

FFS- same old judgemental sh!t on this forum by the same posters.

If you look at the clip back you will see all 3 were making light of a possible homosexual 'happening' Leslie donned the white glove , Jordan bent over and as said " assume the position" Leslie then " made a one fingered stabbing motion towards the bent over James Jordan, it was at this point that Gary made - what he thought-rightly or wrongly his remark about getting butt fcuked.

How the hell you can isolate Gary for that is ridiculous. What you can say about the incident is that James Jordan is a GRADE A PR!CK.

First of all you don't threaten a 70 year old man.

Secondly, it' s quite clear that there isn't something quite right with Gary, so you cut him some slack.

James Jordan - as Louis Spence says- is an odious son of a biatch and feels threatened by Gary. There was no need to try and show Gary up or make a point of it, it could have passed as - at worst- an awkward moment.

Lot of truth in this post. Explains the whole jokey build up as it was.

James was way OTT the way he snapped at Gary - "look at me when i talk to you, not them - at me" etc.

Like who does he think he is talking to Gary like that?? Especially when HE was the one who started the banter!! Gary just joined in!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Meanwhile the wee gay one from Geordie Shore is getting away with it all


crafty

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't think Gary's anti-gay at all though, i think the only reason he said that is because James says he is straight, so he thought he could joke with him about it. If Gary really though he was gay i don;t think Gary would have said that. I think James was just being overly sensitive because he really is gay.

I don't agree about James being gay but I agree about everything else. Gary is a very open and spiritual person, there's no way he's anti-anybody.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I don't agree about James being gay but I agree about everything else. Gary is a very open and spiritual person, there's no way he's anti-anybody.

Agreed. He seems very chilled out and relaxed to me.