[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

it is alive and its fully formed during the process....thousands of babies are killed after 20 weeks, at which stage many are fully formed babies. who cares about killing a few thousand fully formed innocent babies eh????

There is no point in talking to you, you are wilfully ignorant and you always will be. Nothing you say is factual, you are pulling things out of your arse and your presenting them as facts. A baby does not just pop into existence fully formed, it's not alive during the embryonic period (in which a large majority of abortions take place) and that's a fact, trying to argue against it will make you look more foolish (if that's even possible) then you do already.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

no. if shes healthy and not been raped, have the baby and have it adopted. at least that way you dont kill the baby and it gets a chance to live.

That's the thing, though. I for one am opposed to abortion purely for the fact that I believe all babies should be allowed to live - even if they're not organisms - and that once fertilisation occurs they deserve the right to be what they could've been but I don't lie to myself that they're fully formed actual babies. Calling it murder is ridiculous.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

We're talking about abortion before the first 12 weeks, which is the time where nothing has developed, so no babies are being killed as they are not babies

NO WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT 1 part of this tragedy....babies are being killed off right up to 24 weeks as you well know? why are you ignoring all the millions of babies being killed between 12 and 24 weeks?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

NO WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT 1 part of this tragedy....babies are being killed off right up to 24 weeks as you well know? why are you ignoring all the millions of babies being killed between 12 and 24 weeks?

Millions? Where are the stats you're referring to, exactly?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

NO WERE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT 1 part of this tragedy....babies are being killed off right up to 24 weeks as you well know? why are you ignoring all the millions of babies being killed between 12 and 24 weeks?

I'm not ignoring it, don't get on your high horse with me please.
The post you quoted was talking about abortions before 12 weeks, but you avoided that point and mentioned killing babies again.
yes people do have abortions past 12 weeks, that's an unavoidable fact, but i don't think Women should be made to feel worse about the hardest decision in their life, by being reminded of it, don't you think they'd be suffering enough? but if an abortion is needed by a person after 12 weeks of pregnancy, then it's their decision and no-one else's.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

Millions? Where are the stats you're referring to, exactly?

I'm not actually sure whether they're being serious or doing it for a reaction tbh

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I'm not ignoring it, don't get on your high horse with me please.
The post you quoted was talking about abortions before 12 weeks, but you avoided that point and mentioned killing babies again.
yes people do have abortions past 12 weeks, that's an unavoidable fact, but i don't think Women should be made to feel worse about the hardest decision in their life, by being reminded of it, don't you think they'd be suffering enough? but if an abortion is needed by a person after 12 weeks of pregnancy, then it's their decision and no-one else's.

if you were in charge how many babies do you want to see murdered? would you take it up to 28 weeks 36 weeks? what if its born disabled? would you want to kill that baby too? where do you draw the line in killing babies?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

if you were in charge how many babies do you want to see murdered? would you take it up to 28 weeks 36 weeks? what if its born disabled? would you want to kill that baby too? where do you draw the line in killing babies?

Oh my god, i pray someone takes your keyboard away one of these days.
This post makes no sense whatsoever, no-one in this thread, including myself, has said anything of the sort, you are just posting nonsense now and trying to besmirch peoples characters because they don't agree with you, we get it, you're against abortion, but ridiculous posts like that won't make your argument any stronger, why get into a discussion or a debate if you're going to throw things like that around?

[Tom4784]

There's no point in replying to The Truth, he doesn't deal in facts, only delusions.

[Vicky.]

I think the huge majority of abortions carried out after 12 weeks are for medical reasons anyway... You dont get the downs screening test until your 12 week scan (which can be anywhere between 12-14 weeks anyway) and then if you are high risk they do more tests on you.

I personally do not see a fetus as a baby in the early stages, so I do not see it as 'killing babies'. After 12 weeks though it is (IMO) but as I say, I doubt many abortions are carried out after that point except for medical reasons.

[Anaesthesia]

Originally Posted by the truth

if it had been left to the devices of many on here you would have been killed in the womb and never had achance to live or get adopted. You need to seriously think long and hard about that monumental life or death fact

And I would have known nothing about it because I would not have been a sentient being.

[LukeB]

wrong!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Millions? Where are the stats you're referring to, exactly?

160,000 abortions per annumn in the uk......thats millions across europe...tens of millions worldwide...possibly 100s of millions....a large number of these are disabled too

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Oh my god, i pray someone takes your keyboard away one of these days.
This post makes no sense whatsoever, no-one in this thread, including myself, has said anything of the sort, you are just posting nonsense now and trying to besmirch peoples characters because they don't agree with you, we get it, you're against abortion, but ridiculous posts like that won't make your argument any stronger, why get into a discussion or a debate if you're going to throw things like that around?

in my list of pirorities do i care more about your precious ego or the killing of millions of innocent babies. Ill go with the baies, now dont take that personally.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by the truth

in my list of pirorities do i care more about your precious ego or the killing of millions of innocent babies. Ill go with the baies, now dont take that personally.

I have an ego because I don't agree with you? Okay then my dear, I'm not discussing this with you any further.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

I have an ego because I don't agree with you? Okay then my dear, I'm not discussing this with you any further.

ok bye dear. leave the thread to people who care about all the millions of innocent dead babies

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

160,000 abortions per annumn in the uk......thats millions across europe...tens of millions worldwide...possibly 100s of millions....a large number of these are disabled too

Any statistics to back that up, or just speculation?

[mrflibble]

Always right. No question about it. Until the embryo becomes a fetus, it neither has a beating heart nor a working brain and feeds directly off the mother, therefore it's practically a virus 'neither dead or alive' and not a living creature. If someone doesn't want a child, doesn't feel ready for a child, or the pregnancy is a result of unwanted intercourse then they should be fully in the right to decide what happens next. I find it disgusting that people still believe they have the right to dictate what anyone else is allowed to do with their body.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

Always right. No question about it. Until the embryo becomes a fetus, it neither has a beating heart nor a working brain and feeds directly off the mother, therefore it's practically a virus 'neither dead or alive' and not a living creature. If someone doesn't want a child, doesn't feel ready for a child, or the pregnancy is a result of unwanted intercourse then they should be fully in the right to decide what happens next. I find it disgusting that people still believe they have the right to dictate what anyone else is allowed to do with their body.

so by that cruel logic youd allow termination right up to the day of birth? would you? as for dictating, wrong again. what a confrontational exaggerated position. what im talking about is putting in place a far stronger system of support for parents , giving them more information, specialist advice, time and less pressure to rush to abort. more info on adoption, foster, surrogacy etc this is what were talking about....no one can force a person not to abort, thats impossible. it takes a far depeer profound love to offer more support and time and resources to these parents struggling with pregnancy.....the poor, the uneducated, the impoverished, the abused, the drug riddled, the drunks....none of whom may see the wood for the trees, many of whom may not understand the future, the options, the possibilities, some may not know hot to cloth , feed or raise a baby.........rushing to kill the baby in the womb is the saddest option in a sad society with record abortion levels. we must forget the petty gender war and come together to work together to find more support for parents. hopefully this will rduce the rush to abort and reduce too the life of pain and regret

[JTM45]

It definitely shouldn't be used as a form of contraception for careless/lazy/thoughtless people but under normal circumstances and at an early stage i think it's completely up to a woman to decide whether she wants to carry on with a pregnancy or terminate it.
It's not anyone's business to tell another person what they can or can't do with their body/pregnancy!
I'd much rather see a woman, especially in cases of underage pregnancies where the pregnancy was a mistake, terminate a pregnancy than bring an unwanted child into an over-populated World that's already got so many unwanted and un-cared for children in it!
And when people start bringing bloody religion into it............don't even get me started on that one!!!! Religion has nothing to do with anything!
For anyone to say that a girl or woman who was raped (forcibly impregnated against their will!!!) should be made to continue with that pregnancy is just inhuman and disgusting to me! Nobody has the right to enforce that on another person nor should they ever have a right or even have a say in it. It's not their situation or their business!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

It definitely shouldn't be used as a form of contraception for careless/lazy/thoughtless people but under normal circumstances and at an early stage i think it's completely up to a woman to decide whether she wants to carry on with a pregnancy or terminate it.
It's not anyone's business to tell another person what they can or can't do with their body/pregnancy!
I'd much rather see a woman, especially in cases of underage pregnancies where the pregnancy was a mistake, terminate a pregnancy than bring an unwanted child into an over-populated World that's already got so many unwanted and un-cared for children in it!
And when people start bringing bloody religion into it............don't even get me started on that one!!!! Religion has nothing to do with anything!
For anyone to say that a girl or woman who was raped (forcibly impregnated against their will!!!) should be made to continue with that pregnancy is just inhuman and disgusting to me! Nobody has the right to enforce that on another person nor should they ever have a right or even have a say in it. It's not their situation or their business!

i think your comments about under age pregnancies are horrific.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

i think your comments about under age pregnancies are horrific.

Please elaborate on your ridiculously over-dramatic statement.

If you think underage girls who were too immature to realize the consequences of having un-protected sex or just didn't care should be forced to have a baby they don't want then that really is horrific!

A pregnancy is not instantly a living baby.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by JTM45

A pregnancy is not instantly a living baby.

This is what "the truth" can't seem to understand

[Kizzy]

Hey, let's not move away from the fact it is alive...
Yes the procedure is easier the earlier it's performed but the psychological impact is as great... Let's not lose sight of that, it's not a decision made or dealt with lightly.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Please elaborate on your ridiculously over-dramatic statement.

If you think underage girls who were too immature to realize the consequences of having un-protected sex or just didn't care should be forced to have a baby they don't want then that really is horrific!

A pregnancy is not instantly a living baby.

why bother? you want all teen pregnancies to be killed off, I dont. We are worlds apart.