[arista]

[Arrested: Brett and Naghmeh King (pictured being pushed into a police car outside Velez Malaga police station)
will appear before a Madrid court today, accused of neglecting their dying five-year-old son Ashya]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3C3Yckb7w


I hope the Spanish Judge lets them go.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Sticks

There was obviously a good reason why the doctors at Southampton believed it should not be used and considered the child protection order when the father kept insisting.

Those doctors know more about cancer treatment of children than these criminally irresponsible parents, or you and I.

We need to trust the judgement of proper experts.

Patients and parents of patients don't have to blindly accept the judgement of one medical practitioner - the medical practitioner is obliged to refer a patient for a second opinion when requested. It's not up to the doctor to decide his opinion is the only opinion worthy of notice.

There will be investigations in time and the NHS and staff including doctors will have to account for their actions and the stories given to the police regarding the patient and his his family.

[Z]

I feel sorry for the King family. These are the actions of parents who are desperate to get their little boy to treatment that might save his life, no police authority or hospital should be standing in the way of that. It's a disgrace. They have my full sympathy and support and I think some of the views expressed in this thread are extremely cold hearted and wrong.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by arista

[Arrested: Brett and Naghmeh King (pictured being pushed into a police car outside Velez Malaga police station)
will appear before a Madrid court today, accused of neglecting their dying five-year-old son Ashya]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3C3Yckb7w


I hope the Spanish Judge lets them go.

I sincerely hope someone decides to take the right decisions going forward for this young child now languishing in a foreign hospital without his family. He's probably very distressed and confused at suddenly been abandoned.

For God's Sake, let the parents go, they haven't done anything wrong!

[Kizzy]

What on earth are they doing?!...

http://namastepublishing.co.uk/the-s...great-britain/

[Tom4784]

God I hope this family sues the living **** of everyone involved in this mess.

[AnnieK]

What??? They are taking parents away from a terminally ill child.....I have heard everything now....unbelievable. What that child must be going through now....I believe he is unable to communicate himself so he must be distraught.....

[Sticks]

So which medical school did this father graduate from?

Look at it this way, a child is dying, so the parents want to try the latest thing they have read about in some magazine or off of that bastion of absolute and error free truth, the internet.

The parents then want to remove the child from a hospital where they are getting the best treatment the clinicians have devised to chase after some quack cure that they have half read about off of the internet, or some charlatan snake oil salesman is peddling.

The child is the patient and not the parent.

The doctor needs to protect the child from treatments that are unproven, will not work or even make the condition worse, even if that means protecting the child, from their own parents by use of the law.

Also they will also have in mind, other child patients, and if they allow one set of parents to discharge their child against medical advice to run after a quack treatment, then this will set a dangerous precedent putting more children at risk from well meaning parents wanting to try unproven quack treatments.

Even if the treatment is not in itself quackery and is used in one area, it may not be appropriate for another condition. Listening to the clinician last night on the radio news, proton beam therapy is not the right treatment for this child.

By not following medical advice, these parents are guilty of criminal child neglect, if not child endangerment.

[Northern Monkey]

This is awful!If either of my 2 kids got ill like this and the NHS gave up on them i would do anything i could to save them!They need to look at the parents motives behind this,which are saving their child!Their child is their number 1 priority!How can they be charged with neglect??

[Sticks]

Simple, they removed their child from hospital against medical advice

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Simple, they removed their child from hospital against medical advice

Wrong
they had no choice time was running out

[anne666]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

What??? They are taking parents away from a terminally ill child.....I have heard everything now....unbelievable. What that child must be going through now....I believe he is unable to communicate himself so he must be distraught.....

It's shocking to do such a thing. His brother was hoping to see him this afternoon.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29009883

The Proton Therapy Centre (PTC) in Prague, Czech Republic, which received a request from Brett King on 20 August, said it can treat Ashya immediately if he is eligible.

Iva Tatounova, director of strategy at PTC Czech, said: "The centre is keen on starting the treatment in a few days. The costs would be dealt with later on."

She said the centre would need the necessary medical documentation before they could agree on the appropriateness of treatment, which usually costs Ł60,000 - Ł65,000 for children.

The law has to let this drop FGS and let them take him immediately.

[Sticks]

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

[dojo88]

The blooming NHS should be held by the police, the NHS are KILLERS!!!!

NHS=Neglectful Human Slaughterers

Hopefully his parents will try for another baby so that they can live a happy life after he eventually passes away.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Sticks

So which medical school did this father graduate from?

Look at it this way, a child is dying, so the parents want to try the latest thing they have read about in some magazine or off of that bastion of absolute and error free truth, the internet.

The parents then want to remove the child from a hospital where they are getting the best treatment the clinicians have devised to chase after some quack cure that they have half read about off of the internet, or some charlatan snake oil salesman is peddling.

The child is the patient and not the parent.

The doctor needs to protect the child from treatments that are unproven, will not work or even make the condition worse, even if that means protecting the child, from their own parents by use of the law.

Also they will also have in mind, other child patients, and if they allow one set of parents to discharge their child against medical advice to run after a quack treatment, then this will set a dangerous precedent putting more children at risk from well meaning parents wanting to try unproven quack treatments.

Even if the treatment is not in itself quackery and is used in one area, it may not be appropriate for another condition. Listening to the clinician last night on the radio news, proton beam therapy is not the right treatment for this child.

By not following medical advice, these parents are guilty of criminal child neglect, if not child endangerment.

Blind conformity to the nanny state, succinctly defined in one post.

[Kizzy]

They had the right to request a second opinion, it's their money if they wanted to try the therapy then that should be their right.
It's basically the same thing as was being offered in the UK, radiation therapy.. except proton beams don't penetrate through tumours.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

How dare they!!! That bloody hospital has a lot to answer for here and I hope they are held to account. Since when has it become a crime or immoral for parents to seek out treatment they HOPE may benefit their own child? As for "a Clinician has said", he is not to be questioned? Since when and who is he, God? Try putting yourself in the parent's shoes. They refuse to give up hope and good for them. We aren't all nannied into submission, thank goodness.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

And I suppose you think it's right also for the child to be kept separate from his parents during whatever time he has left. A child who has known love from his parents and family now faces the prospect of losing his battle for life and the last faces he is yo see are faceless doctors or court appointed social workers. That, to me, is child cruelty. I also assume you have never heard of medical professionals getting things wrong or covering their arses? They are not infallible just because they have a medical degree....

[anne666]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And I suppose you think it's right also for the child to be kept separate from his parents during whatever time he has left. A child who has known love from his parents and family now faces the prospect of losing his battle for life and the last faces he is yo see are faceless doctors or court appointed social workers. That, to me, is child cruelty. I also assume you have never heard of medical professionals getting things wrong or covering their arses? They are not infallible just because they have a medical degree....

I agree with that too! This is a catalogue of the most strange behaviour, all stemming from that hospital! What is their agenda? They were only yelling about the fact that the batteries would have run out on his feeder, well they were wrong. What else is going on here? That poor child needs his parents by his side as much as is humanly possible. His brother was trying to visit him today? Does anyone know if he succeeded?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Portsmouth Council are making the child a ward of court, so luckily he will be back in the UK ASAP and that will be the end of this nonsense about proton beam therapy. A clinician has already said it is not the appropriate treatment for this child.

..maybe Sticks, that’s been said because it can’t be offered to him whereas it is available and has some proven success in other countries..?...it is in effect the same treatment that he’s having but directing the radiation more to the tumlour so there are far lower chances of permanent significant brain damage through damage to the surrounding cells and a chance for a far greater life quality...and it’s especially effective in children with brain tumours..it is a recognised treatment by Cancer Research who already send patients overseas for the treatment and it will be offered in the UK from 2018..but the machines are expensive and bulky according to Dr Hilary on This Morning who also said...’ it is very effective. It is similar to conventional radiotherapy, except for the fact that you get less scatter.
"The proton beams are positively charged particles. They are focus on the tumour and cause less collateral damage to structures around the tumour, so the complication rate is less.
‘’So in effect it could be more cost effective."



..maybe this is something that his own surgeons or doctors don’t agree is necessary because the treatment is so similar to what they would themselves give him but without transporting him or the expense of it etc....but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to make a huge difference in his future quality of life and there is no one who loves him more, no one who places such importance on that quality of his life, no one who would have his interests at heart more and no one who will be thinking of his future life more than his parents and I think they've showed that...if his parents are allowed to take him for the treatment, if they can raise the money quickly enough then there doesn’t seem to be anything to ‘lose’ at all with this but possibly everything to ‘gain’ for Ashya..who is the only person they’re thinking about..and they’re not thinking about whether it’s available here under the NHS but just that this could make all the difference to him and they love him enough to want to try that and they love him enough to want life quality for him..to increase the chances of that....which parent wouldn’t..

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..maybe Sticks, that’s been said because it can’t be offered to him whereas it is available and has some proven success in other countries..?...it is in effect the same treatment that he’s having but directing the radiation more to the tumlour so there are far lower chances of permanent significant brain damage through damage to the surrounding cells and a chance for a far greater life quality...and it’s especially effective in children with brain tumours..it is a recognised treatment by Cancer Research who already send patients overseas for the treatment and it will be offered in the UK from 2018..but the machines are expensive and bulky according to Dr Hilary on This Morning who also said...’ it is very effective. It is similar to conventional radiotherapy, except for the fact that you get less scatter.
"The proton beams are positively charged particles. They are focus on the tumour and cause less collateral damage to structures around the tumour, so the complication rate is less.
‘’So in effect it could be more cost effective."



..maybe this is something that his own surgeons or doctors don’t agree is necessary because the treatment is so similar to what they would themselves give him but without transporting him or the expense of it etc....but that doesn’t mean it’s not going to make a huge difference in his future quality of life and there is no one who loves him more, no one who places such importance on that quality of his life, no one who would have his interests at heart more and no one who will be thinking of his future life more than his parents and I think they've showed that...if his parents are allowed to take him for the treatment, if they can raise the money quickly enough then there doesn’t seem to be anything to ‘lose’ at all with this but possibly everything to ‘gain’ for Ashya..who is the only person they’re thinking about..and they’re not thinking about whether it’s available here under the NHS but just that this could make all the difference to him and they love him enough to want to try that and they love him enough to want life quality for him..to increase the chances of that....which parent wouldn’t..

Very well said His parents care for him more than anyone else in the world.They should'nt be punished for trying to save their child.

[Kizzy]

'The government has contacted police and health officials to see whether Ashya King, the five-year-old cancer patient currently in hospital alone in Spain, can be reunited with his mother and father, as Theresa May told the Commons attempts to extradite the parents to Britain were being reviewed.

The new interventions follow a mounting chorus of voices calling for Brett and Naghmeh King, currently held in separate Spanish prisons after removing their son from a Southampton hospital without doctors' consent to seek alternative treatment abroad for his brain tumour, to be brought to Málaga, where Ashya is being cared for at a children's hospital without his family.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...full-force-law

[arista]

The PM has just said
he wants the parents with the child.


In Spain they are now letting them go
and the Hospital will allow them to see their son
after hours

[Angelika]

Please sign the Change.org petition to release Aysher's parents immediately and reunite the family.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Angelika

Please sign the Change.org petition to release Aysher's parents immediately and reunite the family.

But the parents are now getting released
by order of the Judge