[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary.

That would work if it belonged to Wales in the first place.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary.

LOL... you're in fine form today, Alex, if I may say...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL... you're in fine form today, Alex, if I may say...

It's all in good fun

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I know his game. He thinks Liam should rise up and create a Welsh government, take Wales out of Britain and then watch Wales collapse and then he'll buy the land up and create a holiday resort.

Damn Americans!

Originally Posted by lostalex

wel, if you don't have what you need, perhaps you could consider an invasion. England has taken the best for itself, maybe it's time you asked for your share of it, violently if necessary.

George Bush.. is that you?

How could Wales, as a tiny country, invade England? what do you want us to do, march over the bridge singing Tom Jones and attack them with leeks? We haven't got a ****ing army, for one
Neither do we need to resort to violence to sort out any so called grievances you seem to be imaging we have with the English.
America might not be able to rely on each other if any of the states went tits up, but Britain sticks together and right now, apart from the Scottish situation and the chronic national debt, we're stronger than ever

[Brother Leon]

They should all **** off tbh.


England till I die famz xo

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

It's all in good fun

I know... you amuse me.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Damn Americans!



George Bush.. is that you?

How could Wales, as a tiny country, invade England? what do you want us to do, march over the bridge singing Tom Jones and attack them with leeks? We haven't got a ****ing army, for one.
Neither do we need to resort to violence to sort out any so called grievances you seem to be imaging we have with the English.
America might not be able to rely on each other if any of the states went tits up, but Britain sticks together and right now, apart from the Scottish situation and the chronic national debt, we're stronger than ever

geroge bush is so forever ago, you don't see me bring up tony blair or gordon brown do you? how dare you.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by lostalex

geroge bush is so forever ago, you don't see me bring up tony blair or gordon brown do you? how dare you.

You could do, neither are Welsh so idc

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

They should all **** off tbh.


England till I die famz xo

I can't over the rudeness towards people from Wales.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That would work if it belonged to Wales in the first place.

You lot eat our lamb, give it back!

[joeysteele]

Who Knows what knock on effect this will have on the left over bits of what was the UK if Scotland votes yes.

Wales is another land that generally gets the short straw from govts. at Westminster,however I believe there is little appetite in Wales for any independence vote, even the Welsh Nationalists say that.

What we will likely get from England,and I am English born, will be the likes of Cornwall and Devon screaming for separate powers for them, likely some rumblings in the far South East.

That will possibly then be followed by the joining in from other more Northern areas who also,like Wales and Scotland get the backlash from Westminster govts,especially Conservative ones and this Coalition in particular.

England for sure rarely thinks or acts as one Nation,ironically a 'yes' vote from Scotland, could possibly more likely see a breaking up of England into separate 'governing bodies' all over the place than Wales.

[James]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

You still haven't given me any facts as to how as a country, Wales is being exploited.
If you gave me some substantial facts that backed up what you're saying, i might entertain the notion, but until then i will keep my army of rabid sheep in the pen, they can **** on the houses of parliament another day.

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh PLEEEASE let me be there to see that.

One of things that is really annoying me now about this debate in Scotland is that the word 'Westminster' is now being used as a kind of term of abuse.

It's that cynicism that is driving the yes campaign.

I think the Westminster parliament must be one of the oldest and greatest parliaments in the world - a beacon of democracy.

Yes, people are cynical about politicians but I'm sure that happens in all democracies where free-speech exists. It's because Westminster has most of the responsibility to make the big decisions and also gets most of the media publicity that it gets the cynicism directed at it.

If Scotland got a completely independent government and parliament it's politicians would get the same cynicism. Guaranteed.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by James

One of things that is really annoying me now about this debate in Scotland is that the word 'Westminster' is now being used as a kind of term of abuse.

It's that cynicism that is driving the yes campaign.

I think the Westminster parliament must be one of the oldest and greatest parliaments in the world - a beacon of democracy.

Yes, people are cynical about politicians but I'm sure that happens in all democracies where free-speech exists. It's because Westminster has most of the responsibility to make the big decisions and also gets most of the media publicity that it gets the cynicism directed at it.

If Scotland got a completely independent government and parliament it's politicians would get the same cynicism. Guaranteed.

Yes, I agree with that completely. And yes, it really is the Mother of Parliaments. My post was more a personal comment... I worked for the Tories till last year and spent a lot of time in Westminster and it was, to say the least, frustrating. I still work for the government and sometimes I still get an overwhelming urge to fling poo at politicians.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

geroge bush is so forever ago, you don't see me bring up tony blair or gordon brown do you? how dare you.

No, you don't know who they are.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you don't know who they are.

Any money he knows who Catherine Zeta Jones and Chritian Bale are though, stealing the Welshies is not appreciated

[Marsh.]

Anthony Hopkins.

[Liam-]

Exactly! all the best people are Welsh

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, I agree with that completely. And yes, it really is the Mother of Parliaments. My post was more a personal comment... I worked for the Tories till last year and spent a lot of time in Westminster and it was, to say the least, frustrating. I still work for the government and sometimes I still get an overwhelming urge to fling poo at politicians.

no, the parliament will never be legitimate until you get rid of the Lords. it's a disgrace until then. it's pathetic elitist bull****.

Youtube video

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no, the parliament will never be legitimate until you get rid of the Lords. it's a disgrace until then. it's pathetic elitist bull****.

We'll have to agree to differ on that one.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

We'll have to agree to differ on that one.

let go of what I used to be.

does it make you feel better?

Youtube video

[Marsh.]

And those damn Royals.

Oh wait, they hold no power.

[Jamesy]

All the Wales/Welsh hate in here...

There's no where near enough support here for Wales to become independent and the Welsh government know that. Personally as a Welsh-man I like things how they are now, we have a few good things just in Wales (free prescriptions) but are still generally controlled by central government. Don't really see any benefit we would gain from independence.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

let go of what I used to be.

does it make you feel better?

Lovin' that.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lovin' that.

when it rains it pours.

Youtube video

[the truth]

Alex is doing a good job here as agent provocateur
IF scotland goes independent , then I think it definitely increases the chances of England and Wales one day going it alone. Scotland has enormous land mass, gas, wind energy, coal mines that can be re-opened , oil, world class education, large agricultural output, strong tourism, umpteen world known brands, strong banking sector etc
unemployment rate in scotland is 6% lower than englands 6.2% and wales at 6.7%

scotland has become far richer since devolution, wales poorer. why?

scotland has more powers , more law making powers, its also slightly less reliant than wales was on industries. wales suffered on a gargantuan level when the industries were destroyed with no plan b. wales was number 1 in the world in tin copper and coal production at one stage..its slate , gold and steel industries were also world class. swansea produced 67% of the worlds copper at one stage thanks to their revolutionary techniques. this copper was used to bottom out the unsinkable ships that built the british empire and all of nelsons cannonballs were made in places like tredegar and merthyr.

in england we will be fine either way. we have always had the wealth and london is the strongest powerhouse in europe still. the monarchy still affects enormously the uk or the broken up uk. they empower the house of lords, they own million of acres, they influence the rich landowners....but their anto democratic grip is slipping thankfully.

i have to admit though I grew disenfranchised with southern england many years ago. I moved from wandsworth 15 years ago to live in wales and never ever ever looked back. the quality fo life in wales is 1001 times better. people speak to each other, strangers help and say hello, the landscape is cleaner and emptier, the beaches are unspoilt and the traffic smog is barely seen. its a bit llike cornwall but i found cornwall too remote.

the sense of patriotism is even stronger in wales than in scotland. but the wealth the education system is not. wales seems to be endless small businesses but very few massive welsh companies. only rceently obama became the first sitting US president to visit wales. that fact alone is staggering , when theyve visited england and scotland 1000s of times.

I reject somewhat the anti english tirdae fo some nationliats though. yes the monarchy imposes horrific abuses for centuries. but those days are over. the economic situation is of course still whats leftover. but its time the smaller nations laid down that frustration and made their own nations a success. we english are bound to be blamed for a lot as we controlled matters, we owned the wealth and with all that power theres a price to be paid.

did you know the entire english/british crown and the chariots are all pure welsh gold? what did the welsh get in return? bog all....

so scotland will lead on this, if they go england and wales may one day seperate. but not for many years. the legal ties are too tight, the cultures are somewhat closer and more overlapping, the angst and acrimony of the civil wars and monarchy oppression is distant past.....the welsh have their language which seems to be surviving. us english well we have wonderful places and culture. we need to move away from monarchy as a national obsession and look at what truly makes us rich. our culture, our artists, our world class business people, our once great nhs, our writers, sportspeople, etc I do think wales is too socialist and the south too right wing...but this gap will narrow over the years.....schemes like the severn barrage MUST happen in time as must clean energy and reopening the most prodctive coal mines will become compulsory. the seams are too rich. try this trash belgan coal to welsh coal it burns 4 times quicker


i dont see an appetite for wales / england breakway on either side. frankly theres a million and one far more pressing issues.