[arista]

Also its a insult that he keeps saying "Friends"
after his pledges.


That sounds wrong.


Its has now finished.

[Locke.]

Wrong section, would a kind mod please move this to Chat and Games

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Also its a insult that he keeps saying "Friends"
after his pledges.


That sounds wrong.


Its has now finished.

He is an electoral disaster

He is too weak to be a leader

[arista]

This is more Important News today

[arista]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Wrong section, would a kind mod please move this to Chat and Games

Its a Current News Story.
how dare you nick my "kind mod " term.


Tomorrows Papers will be added
this evening

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-transform-nhs
http://news.sky.com/story/1340783/mi...ritish-hostage
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...NHS-staff.html
Links for this debate

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He is an electoral disaster

He is too weak to be a leader

I agree, it's kinda ironic that Labour have the best chance to win a General Election for years but with the worst leader I can remember .

They may actually snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by sticking with him.

Maybe Ed Balls will take over .

[arista]

Many voters view him as a sheep

[JoshBB]

If it bored you, don't watch the whole thing??

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

If it bored you, don't watch the whole thing??

We need to,
to see what he said.

[smudgie]

Perhaps if he didn't use the word together so much..

[joeysteele]

I take the totally opposite view, for me this was a Prime Ministerial quality speech that for once from a politician involved no gimmicks, no show and false frills to it.

It was far from too long and anyway he had a lot to deal with, I also have no problem at all with the word friends and also the word together,as I am someone who believes togetherness is a better way to go forward as to things anyway.

He detailed all that was wrong still and had been wrong, with the way the present govt. had hit hardest the least able to be hit.

In my time at Uni and in the work I have done the last year or more now,I have come across the devastation in peoples lives through the bedroom tax.
To hear Ed Miliband say he will scrap this ridiculous policy, which is costing likely more to implement than it is saving, was excellent.

To hear of his plans for the NHS was music to my ears, I care nothing for how he raises funding for the NHS,he could raise taxes for me, as long as the NHS is protected from the creeping privatisation of the Conservative party.

I agree with his mansion tax, I agree with at last the rooting out of tax avoidance too,my goodness,all he had to say extra for me was that he would look at scrapping the TV licence.

It was a speech that he clearly meant every word of, it was clear to me, he believed in all he was saying.
Not a perfect speech but then none ever are, rather subdued at times but serious times call for serious speeches.

There is a criticism he didn't mention the deficit,it is however a given since he is not going to dismiss all this govts. programme as to austerity, that he and his govt. will keep chipping away at the deficit as this govt has done.

Therein lies the telling thing however, in 2010 according to this govt, there would have been no deficit to talk about, they said all their programme and the severe austerity measures had to be done immediately, to cope with any problems in the Eurozone and to ensure the deficit was all but cleared in 2014/15.

Where are we, for 18 months at least now we are told this lot have taken a third off the deficit.
Nowhere near clearing it and they will be asking next year for the same time again to do all the same things.

If I was a Conservative I would keep quiet as to their failure and bad failure as to clearing the deficit.
Even Gordon Brown planned to half the deficit in 4 years, this lot are not likely to achieve that in a whole 5 years.

I loved however the stressing of the support from Labour for the NHS, that is the issue that had me thinking in 2010 and it is for me an even more important issue now and for 2015.
It is not in any way safe with the Conservatives,it is even less safe with UKIP, and the Lib Dems cannot be trusted with it either,so really I have only one place to go if I care for the NHS and it being saved from a more full scale privatisation.

I hope he does win in 2015, I hope and I believe he will, deliver all he listed today in his speech, I agree with the vote going to 16 and 17 year olds and for me it was another thought provoking speech.

I don't care as to Ed Miliband's popularity level,the last poll said 25% saw him as PM material, while although higher again only 37% rated Cameron.
That effectively means, over half of voters don't much like any of the leaders anyway.

I hoped the NHS would feature heavily in 2015,the problems all over the NHS are showing up again as they did up to 1997 when it was left on its knees after 18 years of consecutive Conservative Govt.

This post may be too long too for some, I however make no apology for it.
I also say I applaud Ed Miliband for this in depth speech he made today, it may not have been one of his very best but one thing it really was, was sincere.


If Ed Miliband and Labour win the next election, and I think they will, and hope they will.
I think a whole new opinion of him will be evident as to him as to being PM material.
Unlike this incompetent,procrastinating waste of space who is the current holder of the post.

[Jack_]

I thought it was a great speech his plans for the NHS are admirable and essential, giving the vote to 16 and 17 year olds was something I was hoping for but not expecting and the LGBT rights envoy was just a great bonus

Oh and I couldn't stop laughing when he was explaining how Cameron had been 'caught out'. 'He changed his logo to a tree and then tried to sell off the forests'

I basically agree with all of Joey's post

[Kizzy]

Agree with Joey too, if Ed's for the NHS he'll do for me!
The silly pics and name calling are very juvenile.. He's a serious politician, it takes a long time to explain how you're going to effectively restructure the whole UK from the dilapidated shack it is now back to something concrete and durable.

[user104658]

I still maintain that Ed Milliband would be much higher rated if he was better looking. Or just normal looking (let's face it, Mr Cameron is no stunner).

He looks weird; it's his unfortunate downfall but doesn't that just say it all about modern politics? People want to be flashed a hollywood smile and fed a load of easily-digested soundbites, because they can't be bothered listening to a long speech from a strange face. I hope that changes at some point.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with his mansion tax, I agree with at last the rooting out of tax avoidance too.my goodness,all he had to say extra for me was that he would look at scrapping the TV licence.

I personally cancelled mine this week (along with my sky sub), I'm just sick of it. The BBC are simply not living up to what they're supposed to deliver... the quality of programming, for the obscene amount of money they receive, is simply shocking. I refuse to be part of it any more. Cobbled together a little media PC hooked up to the TV from bits that I had lying around, set it up with quick links for the various catch up services and a Netflix account, and a load of the kids shows and films on the HD (plus my eldest almost exclusively gets her TV fix from YouTube on the desktop PC, anyway).

More than worth it. Saves me over Ł30 a month (TV license + Sky - Netflix sub of Ł6) and the satisfaction of telling them to stuff their TV license fee. Awesome

[rubymoo]

The problem with Milliband is that he has zero charisma, i look at him and see a little boy, i think a lot of voters do, and for this reason he won't win.

I think his brother would've been better PM material.This is just my opinion

All governments are the same, they all give themselves a pay rise then pick on the workers, then bring in stupid taxes, and let the rich get richer.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He forgot to mention the economy?

the economy they kind of fecked up last time they had a crack...

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He forgot to mention the economy?

the economy they kind of fecked up last time they had a crack...

I agree, kind of a big point to miss

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He forgot to mention the economy?

the economy they kind of fecked up last time they had a crack...

Yes its the the thing he Fecked up
with Temp PM Brown in 2009.


But its good enough for posters like Joey?

[anne666]

Remove........ look, friends and together from that mess of a speech and what's left? Spending mainly , no surprise, with a very questionable explanation of how he proposes to fund it. No policy on the mountainous debt the last Labour Government accrued , not mentioned at all along with too many other important issues. It was one of the worst and most insulting political speeches I've ever listened to. The man is a bull****ting idiot . If they get back into power I dread to think how much they will have inevitably have added to the debt when they're booted out again. Labour Governments are notorious for leaving the country in a financial mess.

[arista]

Originally Posted by anne666

Remove........ look, friends and together from that mess of a speech and what's left? Spending mainly , no surprise, with a very questionable explanation of how he proposes to fund it. No policy on the mountainous debt the last Labour Government accrued , not mentioned at all along with too many other important issues. It was one of the worst and most insulting political speeches I've ever listened to. The man is a bull****ting idiot . If they get back into power I dread to think how much they will have inevitably have added to the debt when they're booted out again. Labour Governments are notorious for leaving the country in a financial mess.

Yes I am no friend of him
it was not a Private talk
it was on the news.

On Radio 5
Richard Bacon kept saying its finished
but then the Dork Miliband started off again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes its the the thing he Fecked up
with Temp PM Brown in 2009.


But its good enough for posters like Joey?

It is indeed god enough for me, Ed Balls is the Shadow Chancellor, he had listed the economical side of matters just the day before.
Ed Miliband did make a few references as to the economy, however I for one,take it as a given that in fact all parties will continue to reduce the deficit.
Little point in wasting time saying so when it is expected from them all.

This deficit by the way, that David Cameron and George Osborne said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15 due to the severe measures they were taking to ensure same.

Miliband forgot a couple of items that had been dealt with by others,I was however more eager to hear his plans as to the NHS, the bedroom tax, the zero hours contracts, energy, mansion tax,homes being built,a decent minimum wage for those who are on it.
They are more important than adding a line saying,we will also continue to reduce the deficit.

If anyone really believed that any party would actually, after the global financial crisis hit and the last 6 years since,not continue to bring the deficit down then that party should not be in existence.

Having said that, this shower in Govt now who stressed that the deficit had to be all but cleared by 2014/15 but have in fact only got a third off it. Have actually themselves decreased the importance of the deficit.
By their total failure to clear it as promised in 2010.

David Cameron actually made his own big gaffe yesterday too as to his private conversations with the Queen on a constitutional matter too.
Had a Labour PM done that they would have been crucified in the press the next day.
Not David Cameron however, although I would guess he will a get a stern reaction form the Monarch when he next sees her.

I am fully aware that Labour will work to bring the deficit down further,I actually think they will get more off it too by 2020 than this lot have in the last 5 years.
For me however, I never saw the necessity to race to clear it,it could have been done over 15 to 20 years as long as it was coming down.
Then we wouldn't have had to have so many sick, disabled, terminally ill, weakest ,poorest and the most vulnerable of people suffering so unjustly and heartlessly from the policies of this rotten govt. this last 4 and a half years and still ongoing.

This Govt. deserves and should get nothing but contempt and I hope,no matter what voters may think of Ed Miliband, that the next election does get won by him on policies, otherwise,if he doesn't.
Then say goodbye to the NHS as it was originally intended to be and then also see more massive suffering inflicted unjustly on those, who should be protected, by even more heartless policies from this cruellest and most arrogant set of Cabinet Ministers there has likely ever been post war.

I no way want to see the latter, so will be offering my services anywhere to help get this rotten shower shoved on the scrapheap with its rotten agenda of heartless and unjust polices ripped up too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The English are in thrall of posh people, hence the love for the RF so Cameron will always get the benefit of the doubt

BTW I thought Cameron's childish comments to the NY Mayor guy yesterday were beyond pathetic

[arista]

"said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15"

But it did not go as planned
No one can control Markets.


Also its wrong of Miliband to say its a "10year plan"
as Elections are Every 5 Years now.
Such arrogance is like Kinnock

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"said would be and had to be,non existent by 2014/15"

But it did not go as planned
No one can control Markets.


Also its wrong of Miliband to say its a "10year plan"
as Elections are Every 5 Years now.
Such arrogance is like Kinnock

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

[Kizzy]

It annoys me to the point of exasperation how we not only judge singer and actors by their looks ... but now the politicians! :/

It also infuriates me how every little thing he does is scrutinised to the nth degree.. even eating a butty ffs! But cameron and his vile cronies can triple university fees, sell off royal mail, privatise the NHS, invent unfair taxes on the most vulnerable ... it's unbelievable!