[arista]

Ed having to play up to Cameras
the Fool.



John Bird was on the BBC2 Daily Politics
and ITV1London .

[Giving money to beggars isn't kindness, Ed, it's cruelty. And I should know, I used to be one, says founder of the Big Issue John Bird

John Bird co-founder the Big Issue in 1991 after being a beggar himself
Says that Ed Miliband should never have gave money to beggar last week
Explains that giving to beggars is not an act of kindness but one of cruelty
Adds that it does nothing to alleviate the plight of the recipient]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3IDgDp1Cr

[Shaun]

What does this guy want - for Miliband to buy her a flat?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Shaun

What does this guy want - for Miliband to buy her a flat?

No John is Right


The begger is only 14
and has a home
its a Scam


Ref: BBC2 Daily Politics Today

[Crimson Dynamo]

he should have said to her: Why are you not at school, why are you sitting down and where do you live? But the twit gave her money

And he wants to be PM?

Gods teeth

[Livia]

He's never one to miss a photo opportunity, he's worse than Cameron for that, and who thought that would be possible? I'm shocked he's not wearing his feminist teeshirt, kill two birds with one stone.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

He's never one to miss a photo opportunity, he's worse than Cameron for that, and who thought that would be possible? I'm shocked he's not wearing his feminist teeshirt, kill two birds with one stone.

Pun intentional?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he should have said to her: Why are you not at school, why are you sitting down and where do you live? But the twit gave her money

And he wants to be PM?

Gods teeth

Bang On Right LT

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Pun intentional?

Oh! LOL no - happy accident.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh! LOL no - happy accident.

[joeysteele]

I find John Bird annoying, actually big issue sellers are murder for pushing the mag in your face almost trying to sell them.
I do however buy it off them and often get the scam too of, this is my last one with the indication of hoping I will say keep it so they can sell it again.

However, like Ed Miliband,I still always give money to people sitting in the streets, not a lot of money obviously but I will not walk past on the other side with my nose in the air.
It may not help them but the main issue for me is that anyone genuine in being on the streets is a scandal as to whatever govt. is in power at the time and I see more and more people on the streets under this coalition govt. than I ever saw in the last 4 years of the last one.

Slamming Ed Miliband for photo opportunism for putting perhaps a 50p piece in a cup is rather unfortunate.
Cameron would have said he will bring something for her tomorrow,or the next day or even the next week but never get around to actually doing so.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I find John Bird annoying, actually big issue sellers are murder for pushing the mag in your face almost trying to sell them.
I do however buy it off them and often get the scam too of, this is my last one with the indication of hoping I will say keep it so they can sell it again.

However, like Ed Miliband,I still always give money to people sitting in the streets, not a lot of money obviously but I will not walk past on the other side with my nose in the air.
It may not help them but the main issue for me is that anyone genuine in being on the streets is a scandal as to whatever govt. is in power at the time and I see more and more people on the streets under this coalition govt. than I ever saw in the last 4 years of the last one.

Slamming Ed Miliband for photo opportunism for putting perhaps a 50p piece in a cup is rather unfortunate.
Cameron would have said he will bring something for her tomorrow,or the next day or even the next week but never get around to actually doing so.

Joey it was a Fecking Scam
Do you Not Get that?

Ref: Daily Politics BBC2 Today

[Crimson Dynamo]

too many people giving money to pro beggars like this Romanian who should be sent back to her own country and forced to go to school

smh

[Kizzy]

And if he hadn't? the headline ' Milliband ignores homeless child!' :/

[user104658]

Whilst I think the picture is nonsense, I have to say of Mr Big Issue... What a hypocrite. We all know that selling the big issue is legitimised begging, and thinly veiled at that. Giving someone a pound out of sympathy for the privilege of throwing a rag in the nearest bin. I don't know why the charade carries on... They should just stand with a cup and reel off a few of the day's headlines to anyone who gives them a quid. Would save paper, at least.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if he hadn't? the headline ' Milliband ignores homeless child!' :/

Absolutely and scam or not, I would have actually thought less of him had he done that,just walked by ignoring totally someone sitting there.
The press would have had a field day, presenting him as this hypocrite who goes on about the poor but would totally ignore someone apparantly who could have been homeless.

It was said he had only put 2p in as well but it turns out it was a fair bit more than 2p.

Had Cameron or his wife Sam, (who will have plenty of homeless to get more photo shots of her at, during the 2015 campaign than she did in the 2010 one now,thanks to her husband's policies.),put something in a cup in the same scenario,the headlines would have likely been.
'Cameron/s show they really care'.

I would have done exactly the same as Ed Miliband did, scam or not, I'd rather not just stick my head in the air and march on ignoring people who may be in some need or genuinely on the streets.

Also as ToySoldier says, the big issue is also a form of 'legitimised begging'anyway and as I said I often get one almost rammed in my face as they try to sell it.
These people sitting in the street as you pass, rarely say a word at all,I have found.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if he hadn't? the headline ' Milliband ignores homeless child!' :/

perhaps in the mirror or guardian but it would have given him an opportunity to say that she was not a beggar she was a schoolgirl from Romania who should have been back home studying and then he could have made the distinction between good and bad immigration and scored some good political points

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if he hadn't? the headline ' Milliband ignores homeless child!' :/

"No ignores scam child"



She has a home
ref : BBC Daily Politics 5/11/14

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"No ignores scam child"



She has a home
ref : BBC Daily Politics 5/11/14

He did not know that at the time arista, that is the whole point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He did not know that at the time arista, that is the whole point.

she looked 14 and she looked like a Romanian scam beggar


what is he not seeing that we all can?

[smudgie]

Never give to beggars in the day time, most are scammers.
Looked more like rewarding someone for paying truant, get the beggars off the street and into school.

[Nedusa]

What a sad useless pathetic figure Ed Miliband is, unable to just be a strong leader he instead worries more about , how he is perceived by the press . He is acutely aware of all photo opportunities good or bad and is more preoccupied with his image than his actual job of possibly running the Country.

The Man is not up to this job , never was, never will be. Does not have that X factor needed to hold the top job .

Labour know this but time is against them and they cannot see how they can drop him so soon to an election.

UKIP will steal plenty of seats from the Tories but they will take seats from Labour also as voters are furious with this bumbling shambolic excuse for a Labour Leader.



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[Amy Jade]

He was just being nice.

[Kizzy]

Why is it important to raise the issue of homelessnes?... Because it is an important contemporary issue.

'Rising homelessness shows the damage caused by welfare cuts
Homelessness has now risen by 34% since 2010, with measures including the benefit cap and the bedroom tax blamed by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and Crisis.'

'In 2013 the UK economy finally began to show signs of recovery, but as we have argued in previous Monitors, policy factors have a more direct bearing on levels of
homelessness than the recession in and of itself. Most key informants interviewed in
2013 expect a new surge in homelessness associated with the ramping up of welfare
reform, particularly the social sector bedroom limits and the introduction of Universal Credit. At the same time, housing market pressures seem unlikely to ease, particularly in London and the South. A range of specialist homelessness funding programmes intended to ameliorate the impact of these negative structural trends on particularly vulnerable groups are also due to end in 2014. It therefore seems that, as in 2010, we may soon be facing another critical juncture in homelessness trends in England.'

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...d-welfare-cuts
http://www.crisis.org.uk/data/files/...xecSummary.pdf

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

she looked 14 and she looked like a Romanian scam beggar


what is he not seeing that we all can?

Does she look 14?
I myself am useless at guessing or estimating peoples ages,to me she looks a possible young homeless person.
I certainly would not thave thought this a scam on the face of that passing glance and moment.
Many times I have thought someone was younger than they were and vice versa older than they were.

This was a passing glance and split second event, also if all he wanted was a photo opportunity, he could have engaged in deeper conversation with her and certainly handed more money out too.
That would have got even more headlines, but he didn't.

It is easy to criticise and pick at someone people don't like for anything and in fact near everything they say and do they do but that doesn't actually make all the criticism fair, valid or right.
That is something I am at times guilty of too as to many members of the present govt. and likely too as to Nick Clegg.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He did not know that at the time arista, that is the whole point.

Thats his Bad Luck