[karl100589]

The only bearable version of Rachel is the TAR24 version of Rachel.

BB12: She's an irritating tryhard who's one track minded approach to the game allows an obnoxious alliance to dominate the endgame.
BB13: She's a irritating whiner who becomes a blatant producers pet who benefits from all of Grodner's rigging.
TAR20: She's all bark and no bite, throwing tantrums and threatening to quit whenever things don't go her way.

Plus I hate the fact that because of her 'floating' is now frowned upon when it is the best way to play the game and in the right hands (Will and Jun) fantastic to watch in action.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by karl100589

The only bearable version of Rachel is the TAR24 version of Rachel.

BB12: She's an irritating tryhard who's one track minded approach to the game allows an obnoxious alliance to dominate the endgame.
BB13: She's a irritating whiner who becomes a blatant producers pet who benefits from all of Grodner's rigging.
TAR20: She's all bark and no bite, throwing tantrums and threatening to quit whenever things don't go her way.

Plus I hate the fact that because of her 'floating' is now frowned upon when it is the best way to play the game and in the right hands (Will and Jun) fantastic to watch in action.

I get where you're coming from but I disagree on a few points. BB12 literally had nothing. It was the most insipid cast at the time (14 and 16 have come to rival it ever since) and there was no real plot whatsoever so I think the show benefited from having Rachel. Like, it was still a terrible season but the episodes were at least watchable with Rachel there. I don't really care about her one track minded approach to the game because who cares about gameplay. There was no gameplay that year so whatever Rachel was bringing I was okay with it. Take Rachel (and Kathy <3) out and the already bad season gets infinitely worse. I also don't think it's fair to blame Rachel for the Brigade dominating when a certain ****ty blonde HG was dragged to the final four and was like "lol so were there any alliances this year????"

I'll give you BB13 though. Rachel was entertaining again at first but once Brendon was gone she turned into "competent" strategist with the help of Grodner and, like, that's not the point of Rachel at all. Aside from manipulating and riggage aside she became boring. I don't think TAR20 Rachel was that good or bad, but the season was a mess in terms of editing and there was a lot of Brenchel/Ralph&Vanessa stuff left out of the edit :\

[karl100589]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I get where you're coming from but I disagree on a few points. BB12 literally had nothing. It was the most insipid cast at the time (14 and 16 have come to rival it ever since) and there was no real plot whatsoever so I think the show benefited from having Rachel. Like, it was still a terrible season but the episodes were at least watchable with Rachel there. I don't really care about her one track minded approach to the game because who cares about gameplay. There was no gameplay that year so whatever Rachel was bringing I was okay with it. Take Rachel (and Kathy <3) out and the already bad season gets infinitely worse. I also don't think it's fair to blame Rachel for the Brigade dominating when a certain ****ty blonde HG was dragged to the final four and was like "lol so were there any alliances this year????"

I'll give you BB13 though. Rachel was entertaining again at first but once Brendon was gone she turned into "competent" strategist with the help of Grodner and, like, that's not the point of Rachel at all. Aside from manipulating and riggage aside she became boring. I don't think TAR20 Rachel was that good or bad, but the season was a mess in terms of editing and there was a lot of Brenchel/Ralph&Vanessa stuff left out of the edit :\

Spoilered to avoid Luke finding out:

Spoiler:

The argument I made with BB12 was that because Rachel (and to a lesser extent Brendon) were making themselves such big targets that it allowed for the Brigade to sail by undetected, and by the time the house managed to get rid of Rachel the Brigade held all of the numbers and couldn't be stopped.
Plus Rachel played the game so emotionally that she didn't think about her ramifications of her decisions. There is a massive selection of alpha males in the house and yet you choose to target Monet and Kristen!?