[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's another fun fact: when polled with the question "have you ever been abused by a partner", hardly any men said yes, whereas several women said yes.

When the question is changed to "have you ever been struck by a partner hard enough to bruise or draw blood" the results are basically 50/50.

Men are under societal pressure not to admit to or report domestic abuse, even though it is a huge problem, because of the stigma that admitting that (even to themselves) would cause.

Most men also report being too scared to fight back or even properly defend themselves because of how that might be perceived.


Ignoring issues like these completely destroys any hope of true equality. Something that I genuinely believe in, by the way. Men and women are indeed unequal in many ways - to the benefit and detriment of both in different circumstances. That is what needs to be addressed. And that is why I despise the modern feminist movement and fully believe that all it will ever achieve is gender division and further inequalities.

Where was this 'fun fact' obtained?

This discussion has nothing to do with abusive relationships and is an entirely different debate. I see the tenuous link in which you suggest women are entirely capable of harassment and or abuse and yes they are, it's the pecentages involved that are different.
It's not even a question of public perception as it's not socially acceptable for women to cat call men either in the main it's seen as rather cheap and brazen.
Men's physique is shown in a different way to womens too, whereas women are sexualised men are shown as being good specimens of manhood, broad shoulders, defined muscles that are attractive as they would be considered a good mate in a primitive sense.

[Liam-]

I can't even deal with some of the **** i have read in this thread.. i should have stopped reading when i saw Alex join in and mention concentration camps for straight men, why do i do this to myself?

[lily.]

lol Liam... sometimes you have to just step away from the thread and count to ten... Trust me, I've been doing this since 2005

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by lily.

lol Liam... sometimes you have to just step away from the thread and count to ten... Trust me, I've been doing this since 2005

It's just ridiculous, in one breath equality is the main goal and in the next, mens worries or dangers are less than that of a woman, it's ridiculous and frankly, insulting.

[Northern Monkey]

TS for PM TBH

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It's just ridiculous, in one breath equality is the main goal and in the next, mens worries or dangers are less than that of a woman, it's ridiculous and frankly, insulting.

Men are in danger for some crimes less than women statistically, that is one good reason it's not intended to be insulting.
Nobody is saying that there shouldn't be equality.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

It's just ridiculous, in one breath equality is the main goal and in the next, mens worries or dangers are less than that of a woman, it's ridiculous and frankly, insulting.

Men and women will never be equal any more than cats and dogs will be equal, but it is wrong for people to think that it is okay to treat men a certain way but not okay to treat women the same way.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Complete bollocks.

1000% corect Liam - 'Complete bollocks' - that is the difference between Men and Women.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by lily.

Men and women will never be equal any more than cats and dogs will be equal, but it is wrong for people to think that it is okay to treat men a certain way but not okay to treat women the same way.

and there we go.

there will never EVER be equality between anyone. Someone will ALWAYS be better off than another. it has absolutely nothing to do with 'society hate BLAH BLAHBLAH', its just life.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Here's another fun fact: when polled with the question "have you ever been abused by a partner", hardly any men said yes, whereas several women said yes.

When the question is changed to "have you ever been struck by a partner hard enough to bruise or draw blood" the results are basically 50/50.

Men are under societal pressure not to admit to or report domestic abuse, even though it is a huge problem, because of the stigma that admitting that (even to themselves) would cause.

Most men also report being too scared to fight back or even properly defend themselves because of how that might be perceived.


Ignoring issues like these completely destroys any hope of true equality. Something that I genuinely believe in, by the way. Men and women are indeed unequal in many ways - to the benefit and detriment of both in different circumstances. That is what needs to be addressed. And that is why I despise the modern feminist movement and fully believe that all it will ever achieve is gender division and further inequalities.

now since we are so into statistics, let's compare the number of women killed by hetero male partners, vs. the number of men killed by hetero female partners...

Care to share those numbers with us TS?

Let's look at the statistics about who should be afraid of who... *SPOILER ALERT!* ....it's not equal...

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If Fedoras had a smell this topic would reek of them.

Women are a lot more likely to suffer a sexual attack in their lifetimes then men which can make these catcalls a lot more intimidating for them. Granted most of them are innocent but it's still could be intimidating for the person involved. Victims of rape are often vilified too and are forced to fight for justice and, when they do seek justice, they'll be put on trial just as much as their rapist. When you look at pretty much all walks of life, women have it harder then men, women are often villainised while men are glorified for the same actions.

People who spout crap like 'lol women's rights WHAT ABOUT MEN'S RIGHTS?!' remind me very much of people in America who say 'If there's a black history month then why isn't there a white history month?' It's ignorant and self-entitled. As men, we are are lucky because we'll never have to deal with half the **** a woman has to deal with in their lifetimes.

this

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

TS for PM TBH

And Kizzy for PMS.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And Kizzy for PMS.

What's PMS?

[Crimson Dynamo]

i would never pass comment on a woman in the street, no gentleman would

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What's PMS?

Premenstrual syndrome.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Premenstrual syndrome.

Ok. I'm not stupid .... I just ... sometimes... er, ...periodically forget things.


Ok I am stupid - I thought it stood for; Prime Ministers Secretary.

But at least there's only us two know I dropped a goolie Marsh - Our little secret eh?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Ok. I'm not stupid .... I just ... sometimes... er, ...periodically forget things.

Kirklancaster, with your puns you are really zpoiling us.

#pleased

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Kirklancaster, with your puns you are really zpoiling us.

#pleased

Thanks TS.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

and there we go.

there will never EVER be equality between anyone. Someone will ALWAYS be better off than another. it has absolutely nothing to do with 'society hate BLAH BLAHBLAH', its just life.

Ever get the feeling you're in the minority though Cait? lol

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by lily.

Ever get the feeling you're in the minority though Cait? lol

i am! im in the minority in a few ways, yet i dont give a flying ****... im not going to let it upset me, nor am i going to use it as a sob story

get on with life, ffs people

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

i am! im in the minority in a few ways, yet i dont give a flying ****... im not going to let it upset me, nor am i going to use it as a sob story

get on with life, ffs people

True dat.

I think people just need something to complain about. It annoys me though, when there are actual serious issues out there to complain about..

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by lily.

True dat.

I think people just need something to complain about. It annoys me though, when there are actual serious issues out there to complain about..

yes. exactly. ****ing preach

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by lily.

True dat.

I think people just need something to complain about. It annoys me though, when there are actual serious issues out there to complain about..

no, people don't just need something to complain about. Many women are actually intimidated and bullied just for walking down the street.

It's not okay.

now smile! smile bitch! SMILe! If you don't smile and pretend to like it then you are a stuck up femiNAZI, and you deserve abuse!

[Livia]

I find a firm "F... off" works quite well.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I find a firm "F... off" works quite well.

That tends to be my response to the random 'smile, it might never happen' comments(wehich by the way, I have had from both men and women)

I would never respond like that to someone complimenting me though