[Josy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

This really, if someone really wanted their cause to be about the thing they're raising money for, they'd let that take center stage and be the main focus, not themselves and their own ego.

So in what way is this single/effort not taking centre stage? Bob and Midge organised it so of course he is going to appear on shows and stuff to promote it (like any other artists promoting their work) in what other way is he making himself the main focus?

[LukeB]

does any of the money even go to ebola? or is it a scam?

[Vanessa]

I love Band Aid. i remember the first one.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Exactly. Have a look at his lifestyle. That doesn't come from being the ex-lead singer of the Boomtown Rats, that comes from being Sir Bob Geldof, philanthropist and saint.

I would guess a lot of his fortune comes from the multiple successful song writing and production companies he owned.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Biased? Why would they be Biased? Not convinced you know what the word means... I have no personal, financial or any other connection to Bob Geldof or Africa. There is nothing for me to bit biased about. Feel free to suggest where my bias lies, though.

I don't like to preface my opinions with "in my opinion" or "I might be wrong but...". It's a cop out. Of course I believe my opinions to be factual, otherwise I wouldn't hold them as my opinion? Do you not believe your own opinions to be true? That most be a very confusing way to exist.

People can change their opinions if they are given new information on a topic, its is how opinions work, you foo fooed my post about Geldof denying the Adele story even though it was reported by Sky News, so I expect if he were lying Adele would have something to say about it. It would be better if you did preface your opinions as your own as sometimes your posts come across as more factual than they really are.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Josy

I would guess a lot of his fortune comes from the multiple successful song writing and production companies he owned.

Oh yeah, that'll be why he's still on my telly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Yeah i saw that.She seemed pissed.I got what she was saying about giving the African artists the limelight instead of western artists(Geldoff and co) taking it.I get her sentiment but i did'nt agree,Only in that i think the Brit artists who are doing the song will generate more attention from the British public(the ones with the money) than unknown(in this country) African artists.She also did'nt like the lyrics as it portrays the people in her country as helpless etc,That's fair enough i suppose.Although i think she was more annoyed at the old lyrics than the new ones that they've used for this version of the song.I kind of understood where she was coming from but i thought her anger was misplaced.Those countries do need to be equipped and capable of dealing with an outbreak like this but while they're not,I can't see help from the west as being a bad thing.I don't particularly like Geldoff but i can't fault him for doing a good thing.

Interesting so this woman who I guess lives in the UK is more interested in seeing black representation on the singe rather than actually tackling the disease, chip on shoulder much.

[LukeB]

I'm surprised the song is out on itunes this early.. why not compete for Christmas number 1?

[Vanessa]

So nice to see some old faces on Band Aid 30 : Sinead and U2.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Interesting so this woman who I guess lives in the UK is more interested in seeing black representation on the singe rather than actually tackling the disease, chip on shoulder much.

I'm not sure if she lives in the UK.I don't think it was necessarily black representation as much as local artists from the areas affected who can't get in the public eye like Geldoff can.But yeah,She did seem to have abit of a chip on her shoulder imo.The simple fact is that Geldoff can get people to buy this song and he can raise alot of money,Atleast he's using his influence for good.I'm sure the people affected by ebola don't share this womans opinion,I'm pretty sure they're glad of all the help they can get.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Josy

I really don't get this logic at all, even if you detest the man, find him to be a pain in the arse whatever you still can't deny that he is putting in effort to raise both awareness and money for a cause.

Like I said before, charity singles benefit those involved more than the charity they're helping. Why do you think the X-Factor has a charity single every year? It's because it's a bit of good press, a guaranteed No1 single and it leads to a nice little VT which shows off the contestants' softer sides that'll lead to a nice bump in potential votes. Band Aid is no different, every act involved and Bob Geldof all benefit from the publicity and it's an easy No1. Charity Singles are a cynical business and all involved are profiting in some way from a tragedy which is why I never support any of them and instead donate directly to the charities themselves

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I'm not sure if she lives in the UK.I don't think it was necessarily black representation as much as local artists from the areas affected who can't get in the public eye like Geldoff can.But yeah,She did seem to have abit of a chip on her shoulder imo.The simple fact is that Geldoff can get people to buy this song and he can raise alot of money,Atleast he's using his influence for good.I'm sure the people affected by ebola don't share this womans opinion,I'm pretty sure they're glad of all the help they can get.

They need famous artists to help promote it. No one would take notice if thy put unknown singers.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I'm not sure if she lives in the UK.I don't think it was necessarily black representation as much as local artists from the areas affected who can't get in the public eye like Geldoff can.But yeah,She did seem to have abit of a chip on her shoulder imo.The simple fact is that Geldoff can get people to buy this song and he can raise alot of money,Atleast he's using his influence for good.I'm sure the people affected by ebola don't share this womans opinion,I'm pretty sure they're glad of all the help they can get.

I'm not sure how many people would like to record with artists specially flown in from the affected areas is she mad, there is nothing stopping her organising her own single with local artists though

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I'm surprised the song is out on itunes this early.. why not compete for Christmas number 1?

There is some urgency here to get this virus under control and the money is needed asap. I don't think being No. 1 at Christmas was the aim here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

There is some urgency here to get this virus under control and the money is needed asap. I don't think being No. 1 at Christmas was the aim here.

Nigeria, which is very close to the 3 main infected countries, declared its self Ebola free mid October.

If they can do this and they are in West Africa and the most populous country then what does that tell you about urgency?

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/...tober-2014/en/

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Interesting so this woman who I guess lives in the UK is more interested in seeing black representation on the singe rather than actually tackling the disease, chip on shoulder much.

LOL this tbh

[user104658]

You know what would be interesting? Someone should do a huge random word association survey in the streets, thousands of people, just one question...

"I say one thing, you tell me the first thing that pops into your head:

Band Aid"


... Then compare the number of people who say "Bob Geldoff" with the number who say anything at all to do with Ebola, anything at all to do with Africa or world hunger, or even charity.

I bet Ganondorf would get most mentions...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh sorry, I didn't realise that Marsh said that Google said that Bob Geldof said that Bob Geldof didn't say he had a problem with Adele not taking part. If Bob Geldof said that Bob Geldof is nice then I guess he must be. Because Bob Geldof also said that Bob Geldof always tells the truth.

Infallible.

Because you're cynical thoughts about a man you don't know are more substantial than what comes out of the man's own mouth? Ok then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because you're cynical thoughts about a man you don't know are more substantial than what comes out of the man's own mouth? Ok then.

Oh come on. Really?

Marsh: "You, sir, are an arse."

Joe Bloggs: "I assure you I am not an arse."

Marsh: "Oh! Sorry buddy, I don't know what I was thinking, I have clearly made an error. I mean, you must know yourself better than I know you."


Well Marsh, let me tell you something. I am literally always right. Always. And I'm damn sure that I know myself better than you know me so... You can't really say that I'm not. And I say Bob Geldof is a self serving, tax avoiding hypocrite. Mind = blown?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh come on. Really?

Marsh: "You, sir, are an arse."

Joe Bloggs: "I assure you I am not an arse."

Marsh: "Oh! Sorry buddy, I don't know what I was thinking, I have clearly made an error. I mean, you must know yourself better than I know you."


Well Marsh, let me tell you something. I am literally always right. Always. And I'm damn sure that I know myself better than you know me so... You can't really say that I'm not. And I say Bob Geldof is a self serving, tax avoiding hypocrite. Mind = blown?

I'll leave you to this strange fixation you have with insulting a man about things none of us know anything about.

Enjoy yourself.

Tabloids print an exaggerated story like 99% of their trash, Geldof says it's nonsense but he's obviously lying.... because two members of his family died from heroin overdoses...... and you don't like him. Logical.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tabloids print an exaggerated story like 99% of their trash, Geldof says it's nonsense but he's obviously lying.... because two members of his family died from heroin overdoses...... and you don't like him. Logical.

Sigh. The Adele thing, true or not (I personally suspect it is true, though accept that many of the tabloid reportings of it are exaggerated, though that's irrelevant) has relatively little to do with what I dislike about Geldof. I can't even say for sure that I do personally dislike him, because I don't actually know him. No more than any of us can say that we LIKE him... Again, because none of us know him.

It's also not what I've been focussing on in this thread regarding Geldof / Africa / Band Aid and what I think is inherently wrong with it, what I dislike about the man in THAT sense, since maybe my first two posts in this thread.

But if you want to focus on that to make a point, that's entirely up to you my friend. It's a bit weak, though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/med...bollocks-twice

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.theguardian.com/media/med...bollocks-twice

Geldof’s rant during the original Live Aid broadcast in 1985 made television history. “Get your money out now,” he shouted at viewers. “There are people dying now, so give me the money.” Geldof swears at one point in the broadcast, saying “**** the address, let’s get the numbers,” but he is often misquoted as having said “give me your ****ing money”.

Give 'me' the money isb a pretty odd turn of phrase given what band aid was meant to be about I didnt know this

[kirklancaster]

So Bob Geldorf says; "“There are people dying now, so give me the money” and swears at one point in the broadcast of the original Live Aid.

For Fecks Sake!!! The guy was a 34 year old pop star in 1985 who was a product of the 'punk' era - as were most of the audience - and not only was it 'cool' to talk in such a fashion, the event was mega, historically ground-breaking, and a phenomenal success, so everyone present was emotionally hyper charged

As for saying bollocks twice during a Sky News broadcast?-- Ooooh I'm shocked. It's reprehensible. Outrageous. Letter to the Times at least.

Oh p--l--e--a--s--e do me a favour. The words; 'Nit' and 'Picking' combined, and 'over-reaction' spring to mind.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But if you want to focus on that to make a point, that's entirely up to you my friend. It's a bit weak, though.

YOU were the one to raise those points in the first place.

If they're irrelevant to what you want to say then keep your weak irrelevant points out of the thread.