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Crimson Dynamo · 27-11-2014, 05:12 PM

Donnie Pastard a local activist with the local anticrime group, Black on Black, told WOIO he doesn't think there was racial malice involved, but that doesn't excuse what happened.

"I do not think these police officers left home to kill a black child. But I do think there's training involved there. There's the race factor involved. This is something we gonna have to talk about, whether we like it or not," said Pastard.

A 14-year-old who was at the scene on Saturday told WOIO they warned Rice about playing with fake guns on the playground.

"It could have been prevented by him going home," he said. "I wouldn't want my life to end so young. Probably had a bright future ahead of him."

On Sunday, state Rep. Alicia Reece, of Cincinnati, announced plans to introduce new legislation requiring that all BB guns, air rifles, and Airsoft guns sold in Ohio be brightly colored or have prominent florescent strips, so there is no confusion. According to federal law, toy and replica guns must have an orange tip on the barrel.

For Deputy Chief Tomba, there could have been a simpler solution to the problem.

"When an officer gives a command, we expect it to be followed," said Tomba.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawyer-s...with-fake-gun/

arista · 27-11-2014, 05:21 PM

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Yes they had to shoot
it looked so real

the child had a chance to drop it

Crimson Dynamo · 27-11-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes they had to shoot
it looked so real

the child had a chance to drop it

If it was a real perp he would have dropped down on ground but the boy probably thought drop down meant drop weapon so he went for it. The cops thought he was 20 as he was big and had hood up in that horrible fashion

the lesson is do not play with replica guns in the street or this can happen

arista · 27-11-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If it was a real perp he would have dropped down on ground but the boy probably thought drop down meant drop weapon so he went for it. The cops thought he was 20 as he was big and had hood up in that horrible fashion

the lesson is do not play with replica guns in the street or this can happen

Very Well Put LT

GiRTh · 27-11-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If it was a real perp he would have dropped down on ground but the boy probably thought drop down meant drop weapon so he went for it. The cops thought he was 20 as he was big and had hood up in that horrible fashion

the lesson is do not play with replica guns in the street or this can happen

More probablys, maybes, ifs and buts.

If the cop thought he was 20 then he's not much of a police officer to be almost a decade out in assessing the age. Strange how the old man who made the 911 call more or less correctly assessed the scene from across the street correctly guessing the gun was fake and the perp was a child but the trained police officers got so much wrong.,

Crimson Dynamo · 27-11-2014, 05:57 PM

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More probablys, maybes, ifs and buts.

If the cop thought he was 20 then he's not much of a police officer to be almost a decade out in assessing the age. Strange how the old man who made the 911 call more or less correctly assessed the scene from across the street correctly guessing the gun was fake and the perp was a child but the trained police officers got so much wrong.,

the old guy was sat watching the kid all afternoon. the cops have a few moments to assess a potentially deadly situation

I just do not think you have any idea what it is like to be a law enforcement officer

GiRTh · 27-11-2014, 05:58 PM

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the old guy was sat watching the kid all afternoon. the cops have a few moments to assess a potentially deadly situation

I just do not think you have any idea what it is like to be a law enforcement officer

I think you've got absolutely no clue about a number of things and being a law enforcement officer is one of them. The fact that he was called to a PLAY-ground should have tipped him off to a few things.

Crimson Dynamo · 27-11-2014, 06:01 PM

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I think you've got absolutely no clue about a number of things and being a law enforcement officer is one of them. The fact that he was called to a PLAY-ground should have tipped him off to a few things.

drug dealing for one

GiRTh · 27-11-2014, 06:01 PM

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drug dealing for one

Is that a joke or are you making more of your assumptions?

Ammi · 27-11-2014, 06:17 PM

..but if the old guy had been watching him all afternoon and not one single shot had been fired then that would be an indication surely, that it would be unlikely that he would fire at the police officers..there seemed to be a lot they didn't know, even though information had been related by the caller...they didn't attempt to diffuse the situation at all, that was evident from the vid..they just shouted at him and then shot him when they saw his hand move in the direction of the gun...and even if he had been older...would that have made how they acted in this situation any better..shooting and killing a 20 year old at the speed they shot him would have been ok..?...they didn't attempt 'law and order', they just 'erased', without considering any alternative that could have resulted in no loss of life...they weren't absolutely certain the gun wasn't real so just to be certain, they shot to kill..is that really what 'law enforcement' is...is that not just executioners with badges....

GiRTh · 27-11-2014, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..but if the old guy had been watching him all afternoon and not one single shot had been fired then that would be an indication surely, that it would be unlikely that he would fire at the police officers..there seemed to be a lot they didn't know, even though information had been related by the caller...they didn't attempt to diffuse the situation at all, that was evident from the vid..they just shouted at him and then shot him when they saw his hand move in the direction of the gun...and even if he had been older...would that have made how they acted in this situation any better..shooting and killing a 20 year old at the speed they shot him would have been ok..?...they didn't attempt 'law and order', they just 'erased', without considering any alternative that could have resulted in no loss of life...they weren't absolutely certain the gun wasn't real so just to be certain, they shot to kill..is that really what 'law enforcement' is...is that not just executioners with badges....

Crimson Dynamo · 27-11-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..but if the old guy had been watching him all afternoon and not one single shot had been fired then that would be an indication surely, that it would be unlikely that he would fire at the police officers..there seemed to be a lot they didn't know, even though information had been related by the caller...they didn't attempt to diffuse the situation at all, that was evident from the vid..they just shouted at him and then shot him when they saw his hand move in the direction of the gun...and even if he had been older...would that have made how they acted in this situation any better..shooting and killing a 20 year old at the speed they shot him would have been ok..?...they didn't attempt 'law and order', they just 'erased', without considering any alternative that could have resulted in no loss of life...they weren't absolutely certain the gun wasn't real so just to be certain, they shot to kill..is that really what 'law enforcement' is...is that not just executioners with badges....

"but if the old guy had been watching him all afternoon and not one single shot had been fired then that would be an indication surely, that it would be unlikely that he would fire at the police officers"

why?

"there seemed to be a lot they didn't know"

welcome to the world of a police officer responding to a call from joe public

"and then shot him when they saw his hand move in the direction of the gun.."

and do you know how many families lose a father or mother when they dont react to that?. What should they do, wait till they shoot?

"they weren't absolutely certain the gun wasn't real "

why on earth would they assume it was not real when the call was guy with a gun, it was a replica - that means real unless you hold it, weigh it, examine it..

this is real life

Ammi · 27-11-2014, 06:58 PM

..I'm sure that many police officers are killed but so sometimes are innocent people as well and when that happens, a police officer should be as accountable as any other member of the public...it seems odd that he had been 'waving' this gun all afternoon and yet only one call was made by an old guy who didn't sound panicked at all to me..where were all of the panic calls from the other people passing and in the playpark who felt he was a threat and going to hurt someone...there is no mention of any so I presume they didn't happen...the public seemed to have 'assessed' that he didn't appear to be a threat and that they weren't in danger and the caller even said that he thought it was probably a fake gun...and yet two trained police officers within seconds had 'assessed' that he was indeed a threat and shot to kill..?...even though he wasn't because it was a child with a fake gun...I really don't see where the law was enforced there at all or where the public were made safe from a threat that didn't exist....

Niamh. · 28-11-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi

..but if the old guy had been watching him all afternoon and not one single shot had been fired then that would be an indication surely, that it would be unlikely that he would fire at the police officers..there seemed to be a lot they didn't know, even though information had been related by the caller...they didn't attempt to diffuse the situation at all, that was evident from the vid..they just shouted at him and then shot him when they saw his hand move in the direction of the gun...and even if he had been older...would that have made how they acted in this situation any better..shooting and killing a 20 year old at the speed they shot him would have been ok..?...they didn't attempt 'law and order', they just 'erased', without considering any alternative that could have resulted in no loss of life...they weren't absolutely certain the gun wasn't real so just to be certain, they shot to kill..is that really what 'law enforcement' is...is that not just executioners with badges....

Tom4784 · 28-11-2014, 10:53 AM

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drug dealing for one

More racism.

GiRTh · 29-11-2014, 02:41 PM

Youtube video

Un-****ing-believable.

Ammi · 29-11-2014, 03:43 PM

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Youtube video

Un-****ing-believable.

..this is sickening, Girth...and nothing was done with the tape until they were contacted about it ...and now saying that they had believed the young guy was involved in the car park incident seems to be just trying to justify it when again there were witnesses to say that he hadn't even come from that direction....

GiRTh · 29-11-2014, 03:57 PM

Yep. Its disgusting and there are loads of stories just like that from the youtube channel.

arista · 29-11-2014, 04:00 PM

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..this is sickening, Girth...and nothing was done with the tape until they were contacted about it ...and now saying that they had believed the young guy was involved in the car park incident seems to be just trying to justify it when again there were witnesses to say that he hadn't even come from that direction....

Its America
why do you think this goes on.

USA President Lame Duck

Crimson Dynamo · 29-11-2014, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Un-****ing-believable.

what has this to do with the thread?

GiRTh · 29-11-2014, 04:22 PM

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what has this to do with the thread?

It shows a pattern of police using excessive force. This happened two months ago.

arista · 29-11-2014, 04:39 PM

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what has this to do with the thread?

Nothing

It needs a New USA: thread

GiRTh · 29-11-2014, 04:41 PM

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Nothing

It needs a New USA: thread

If i opened up thread for every vid I've seen just ik this then it'd overrun the forum Why dont we ask the mods? Should I open a new thread for every story I find like this and I warn you there are plenty.