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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm not basing my reaction specifically on the linked article posted by LT Chewie, but also on my own experiences dealing with certain muslim Asian dignitaries and the inexplicable changes to long traditional policies in certain schools and even nursing homes within my area over the years.

It will be a long post to just outline the details, but here goes: My children went to a very reputable Church of England school, where 'Morning Assembly' was cancelled abruptly only to be followed by the abandoning of the traditional Christmas Nativity in favour of little 'plays' written by the Head Teacher.

There were only 3 muslim Asian kids in the school and their father was a 'Doctor' who was something of a 'dignitary' - he was on the school Board of Governors, on some Police Authority Board, was Chairman of Community Race Relations or suchlike, Leader of the local 'mosque' (actually a converted terrace house) etc. etc. He was very respected and feted in fact - as most 'local dignitaries' are.

What most of the community don't know, is that he is one of the most crooked, cheating bastards walking God's earth, and racially prejudiced against white English people to boot.

I know because I dealt with him in business for a while until I could not stomach his sneering contempt for English people and our way of life, any longer and actually threw him out of my office.

I had been travelling on a mutual business trip in the back seat of his Range Rover and there were 5 other Asian colleagues of his whom I did not know. On a 15 mile journey, every time we passed a white female they started talking among themselves in Urdu and fractured English, about 'English harlots', 'Slags' Sluts' - you name it, and some of the females we passed were just schoolgirls.

I nearly came to blows with 2 of them in the car and demanded they turned the car around telling him he could "Feck" his business, and he did turn it around.

Back home, he followed me into my office and told me that he couldn't understand my reaction because I wasn't an "English bastard" but was Asian like them (because I am mixed race) and it ended up with me physically throwing him out.

This is all true.

The mistake he made was in believing that I was his 'friend' but although I did do business with him and was friendly with him to begin with, I soon grew to dislike him immensely. During that time though, I witnessed enough of his 'dodgy dealings' and total disregard for even his own Muslim community whom he was 'ripping off'. He tried to get me to submit a deliberately inflated quote to the council so he could get a bigger Grant but I refused. He tried to get me to do the same on invoices for the local 'Mosque' so he could recoup his 'outlay' from the Muslim community he 'served' and pocket the - considerable - difference on each invoice. I refused.

Anyway, this was the hypocritical bastard who was (and still is) held in such high regard by our community and its 'Big Wigs', and this is the man whose influence - along with his certain of his Asian cronies - and friendship with the school's Head teacher initiated the said changes to that school's traditions.

It got so bad that when the kids at the school - including mine - were creating gaily decorated hoops to hang from the assembly room ceiling at Christmas, the children were told that they could no longer do Angels, but Stars were OK.

I actually went to see the Head and queried these changes and was told that morning assembly was cancelled because the school did not want the 'non-Christian' children (all 3 of them) to feel 'excluded'. Similarly, he explained that the school was no longer putting on the traditional Christmas Nativity because: it did not want to "offend the parents of the non-Christian children" (all 1 of them - the dad in question) when they came to attend the play. I argued the toss with him but my logic fell on deaf ears.

The situation deteriorated when my son came home with homework on the life of the prophet Muhammed and text books on Islam. I have already stated on here that I have never made any attempt to 'push' my beliefs onto my children, so I asked my little son if he knew who the four evangelists were. He shook his little head.

I went back to see the prick of a head teacher and asked why; in a Church of England School, he was teaching the kids Islam when Christianity wasn't on the curriculum and he gave me a load of B.S. by way of an answer.

I had a choice, remove my kids from one of the (hitherto) highest performing schools in the area, or leave them and accept the situation.

I left them.

This Asian dignitary also owned several 'Care Homes' which were full of old 'white' English people - not a Muslim in sight - and all the staff were the same. Yet Christmas was not allowed to be celebrated in any of his homes even though a lot of the inmates and staff wanted to put Christmas trees up and decorate.

But isn't this the situation now given the topic of this thread?

Having change thrust upon us for no valid reason? Change which is not only offensive to our belief system, but which is yet another example of our civil liberties as English Christians being taken away from us? Changes which are just a thinly cloaked way of eroding our heritage, our traditions, our way of life?

What about our rights?

Wow, that's really sad and quite a shame.

I also work in a C of E school, and there are a few Muslim children there.

Thankfully, all of their parents are completely understanding and are more than happy for them to take part in the Christmas nativities. Although one thing, (which upsets me greatly) is that the mothers have mentioned how they worry about taking pictures, as some people in their family and back home (I think it was Pakistan... not too sure though) would be very angry and disgusted.

It's sad, because I get on with these mothers very well. I have said it before on here, but I have never met a nasty Muslim or Asian. But I will be honest, I've heard plenty of scary things from other members of staff in the school.

I do think that we will eventually be asked to not do the nativity anymore, for quite a few reasons.

I personally don't really have an opinion on it. If it is a school of a different religion, I have absolutely no problem with them not doing a Christmas nativity.

But I don't think the nativity should be banned, nor do I think it should be forced... It should be up to the school.

Sorry for the rambling, I just wanted to say my opinion!