[GiRTh]

Youtube video

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...ness-40-496236

Now its getting interesting. Thank god for 'the smoking gun' .

[lostalex]

All these people condemning all cops and all police forces, guess what,. there are plenty of abusive teachers that hit and abuse kids everyday too. so why don't we see protests in the streets against all teachers and the entire institution of education? Where is the rise up against teachers?

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Youtube video

Ok done with white people. Marrying a black guy.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All these people condemning all cops and all police forces, guess what,. there are plenty of abusive teachers that hit and abuse kids everyday too. so why don't we see protests in the streets against all teachers and the entire institution of education? Where is the rise up against teachers?

Well if teachers were shooting black children repetitively and in disproportionate amounts to white people week in week out then I'm sure there would be. But y'know, they aren't murdering people so that's why there isn't any ****ing protest going on.

Jesus Christ...

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by lostalex

All these people condemning all cops and all police forces, guess what,. there are plenty of abusive teachers that hit and abuse kids everyday too. so why don't we see protests in the streets against all teachers and the entire institution of education? Where is the rise up against teachers?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niall

Well if teachers were shooting black children repetitively and in disproportionate amounts to white people week in week out then I'm sure there would be. But y'know, they aren't murdering people so that's why there isn't any ****ing protest going on.

Jesus Christ...

you like to respond to my posts but you never seem to have any kind of facts to back them up. are you Piers Morgan?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yup, "protesters" really showing up the police here..

smh


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-salary.html

[arista]

Stupid to Shoot one cop in his face
it will only get far worse

[GiRTh]

Terrible that a Police officer was shot

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Quote from the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms is a right to maintain a 'Free' state - whatever that means. This was inevitable given the police record in recent months but I still think its wrong that so many people are being killed.

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Wow. And Tamir Rice was shot in two seconds and his gun wasn't even real.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Wow. And Tamir Rice was shot in two seconds and his gun wasn't even real.

girth there are 780,000 police in the USA

stop trying to expect that each one reacts in the same manner in every circumstance

its a futile position

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

girth there are 780,000 police in the USA

stop trying to expect that each one reacts in the same manner in every circumstance

its a futile position

There should be better training and procedures in place for these types of situations though that all Police should have to follow other then automatically shooting to kill.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

girth there are 780,000 police in the USA

stop trying to expect that each one reacts in the same manner in every circumstance

its a futile position

i expect some consistency . Surely without that the public have no idea how to act around police. Also when those same officers are killing so many people I expect enquiries to actually indict officers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

i expect some consistency . Surely without that the public have no idea how to act around police. Also when those same officers are killing so many people I expect enquiries to actually indict officers.

people do know how to react, its the crims that dont

witness the perp at ferguson and his criminal behaviour that got him shot dead

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

people do know how to react, its the crims that dont

witness the perp at ferguson and his criminal behaviour that got him shot dead

What crime did he commit in front of the police? Plus he was unarmed. Why shoot unarmed citizens but arrest armed citizens?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

What crime did he commit in front of the police? Plus he was unarmed. Why shoot unarmed citizens but arrest armed citizens?

give up girth

just saying he was unarmed with no context is really just persuading yourself and no one else

if i went i up to a cop in the US and punched him, shouted i wanted to kill him and imagine if make a lunge for his gun - i can expect to get shot


but the next day you would be moaning that another unarmed man was shot by police

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

give up girth

just saying he was unarmed with no context is really just persuading yourself and no one else

if i went i up to a cop in the US and punched him, shouted i wanted to kill him and imagine if make a lunge for his gun - i can expect to get shot


but the next day you would be moaning that another unarmed man was shot by police

i'm just pointing out the inconsistency. This guy carries a gun outside a school and the police walk away, Tamir Rice is shot within two seconds of the police arriving in a park with no one around and his gun wasn't real. Do you not see the inconsistency?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

i'm just pointing out the inconsistency. This guy carries a gun outside a school and the police walk away, Tamir Rice is shot within two seconds of the police arriving in a park with no one around and his gun wasn't real. Do you not see the inconsistency?

no

the police know this guy of old so arrive resigned to an argument

the other scenario they arrive thinking their life is in danger


huge difference and different areas

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no

the police know this guy of old so arrive resigned to an argument

the other scenario they arrive thinking their life is in danger


huge difference and different areas

Different areas but with the same gun law. This guy talks about his right to have the gun and not be bothered by police so why was Tamir Rice - in a state with the same law - shot within two seconds.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Different areas but with the same gun law. This guy talks about his right to have the gun and not be bothered by police so why was Tamir Rice - in a state with the same law - shot within two seconds.

let it go girth i have answered that

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

let it go girth i have answered that

Have you? Your answer only reinforced the inconsistency.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There should be better training and procedures in place for these types of situations though that all Police should have to follow other then automatically shooting to kill.

but they don't automatically shoot. it's incredibly rare for a police officer to shoot and kill a person of any color.

and as far as needing better training and procedures, that's true for every profession. doctors, teachers, mailmen, janitors, every profession.

[Kizzy]

The onus does seem to have shifted in some respects instead of subdue and disarm to shoot to kill no questions asked... Is this democratic?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The onus does seem to have shifted in some respects instead of subdue and disarm to shoot to kill no questions asked... Is this democratic?

you used the key word there... it "seems" that way, because of the press. the press knows they can exploit any race related issue to get more viewers. just like with trayvon martin, they made a huge stink, rile people up[, then when it finally goes to court, we find out the facts, that actually george zimmerman was defending himself, and trayvon was the one that attacked.

The Media have an agenda, and that is for more viewers, even the BBC. So they create sensationalist stories that will rile up the public with no mind paid to the context or the reality at all.

Do the police make mistakes? yes, are there bad cops? yes. But the media takes it further, saying all cops are bad, and that even the entire society is racist. It's bull**** sensationalism to get more viewers, and after they've stirred everyone up, then they get to get even more viewers by covering the resulting riots and protests. The left wing media is just as manipulative and disingenuous as the right wing media.

[Kizzy]

It's a little different when you are confronted with video evidence imo, yes things can be spun one way or the other but when the whole thing plays out in front of your eyes?

Police should not kill people, if that comes across as a lefty European attitude then so be it.