[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

rubbish. its the false claimants , the lazy , workless, demotivated fops who milk the benefits who are effectively stelaing money from the disabled, the sick and elderly and from the tax payers. these lazy bums have always got some pitiful excuse, well to hell with their excuses get the money off them and send them to work. then use the saved welfare benefits to pay the disabled and elderly more

I totally disagree,this is the rhetoric that is used to try to justify the persecution of those who are the weakest,allowing the demonisation of those on benefits to be totally exaggerrated as to how many are wrongly claiming them.

I said earlier, the only facts presented in TV programmes on these issues always say that the benefits believed to be being wrongly or fraudulently claimed amount to 0.8% of the total claimants.
Where is your evidence that is wrong, what figures have you got that say different.

You actually do the sick and disabled and most vulnerable a massive injustice in overstating the problem.
As to the welfare/benfit issues,the truth is little can or should be done as to cutting them becasue really the bulk of the spending on benefits is on pensions, that cannot be touched really.

I don't normally go into saying someone is talking rubbish as I try to take on board what others say even if I disagree with them, however from all I have got involved with these last few years as to the sick and disabled,I have been appalled at their treatment by this govt. as to their benefits.

One of us is likely talking rubbish certainly but it for sure I feel is not me and I am sorry to take that line.
However I will always look at supporting the sick and disabled,not follow like a sheep the media demonisation of them and add to the exaggerration of using them as scapegoats for the UKs ills.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I totally disagree,this is the rhetoric that is used to try to justify the persecution of those who are the weakest,allowing the demonisation of those on benefits to be totally exaggerrated as to how many are wrongly claiming them.

I said earlier, the only facts presented in TV programmes on these issues always say that the benefits believed to be being wrongly or fraudulently claimed amount ot 0.8% of the total claimants.
Where is your evidence that is wrong, what figures have you got that say different?

You actually do the sick and disabled and most vulnerable a massive injustice in overstating the problem.
As to the welfare/benfit issues,the truth is little can or should be done as to cutting them becasue really the bulk of the spending on benefits is on pensions, that cannot be touched really.

I don't normally go into saying someone is talking rubbish as I try to take on board what others say even if I disagree with them, however from all I have got involved with these last few years as to the sick and disabled,I have been appalled at their treatment by this govt. as to their benefits.

One of us is likely talking rubbish certainly but it for sure I feel is not me and I am sorry to take that line.
However I will always look at supporting the sick and disabled,not follow like a sheep the media demonisation of them and add to the exaggerration of using them as scapegoats for the UKs ills.

Yes I'd like to see these stats too.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Yes I'd like to see these stats too.

In an official sense they don't exist Kizzy, the 0.8% was arrived at by an independent source who could only estimate that 0.8% of claims were either fraudulent or wrongly claimed.
This govt. knows that to be the case too but is happy to let the media fuel discord between citizen against citizen.
I am reminded of something a lady of near 80 told me last year, she said she had lived through loads of govts. but this one was the worst and most cruel she had ever come across.
For me it is a dangerous one too,as to its divide and conquor attitude as to the working classes and those who are most vulnerable too,trying to set one against the other

If fraud and wrong claiming of benefit was as high as some of the exaggerrated incredible figures have been stated on here, the vile Sun and Daily Mail would have their whole papers full of them, instead of having to near desperately scratch around for the odd one or two cases of same.