[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why cant Chuff have a different opinion to others without people having a pop ?we all like different people for different reasons,Chuffs a lovely lady,it seems people wait for her to come on then pounce,ffs,she likes her,as do a lot of others.It's not nice to see.I cant see what she has said that is so wrong tbh.

Opinion works both ways, it's not a one way street of an excuse to stop anyone else from stating their opinion about what you've said.

If you're going to have an incendiary opinion then you need to be prepared to defend it. This is a forum, people's opinions are challenged on a regular basis because challenging people's views is a cornerstone of discussion itself.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why cant Chuff have a different opinion to others without people having a pop ?we all like different people for different reasons,Chuffs a lovely lady,it seems people wait for her to come on then pounce,ffs,she likes her,as do a lot of others.It's not nice to see.I cant see what she has said that is so wrong tbh.

I don't know what has gone on tbh, but I agree we all like and dislike different people and people should just respect that.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Maybe if she put her point across without belittling people and making harsh sweeping generalisations about large groups of people, she wouldn't have to deal with the backlash.

It's all swings and roundabouts, if you can't handle scrutiny, don't put yourself or your rather unpleasant opinions out there to be scrutinized.

Who did she belittle? all she said was that SOME(now that is the important word !! SOME people are workshy and lazy,and that is the truth,it seems from some reactions she's a bit close to the mark,now I am moving on as we all know what comes next.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

"Backlash" that sounds like pack mentality

Well considering you were only having a discussion with one person who was mainly criticising you and your opinions, i fail to see how it is a 'pack mentality' tbh, but whatever puts you at ease i suppose.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Well considering you were only having a discussion with one person who was mainly criticising you and your opinions, i fail to see how it is a 'pack mentality' tbh, but what ever puts you at ease i suppose.

You are so very wrong, i will have a discussion with anyone as long as they show respect and do not pounce in packs, I speak my mind in a fair way ,I do not expect some people to stand in waiting for me to post to pounce along with their lounge mates, Im an adult and act as one

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Who did she belittle? all she said was that SOME(now that is the important word !! SOME people are workshy and lazy,and that is the truth,it seems from some reactions she's a bit close to the mark,now I am moving on as we all know what comes next.

And that means what exactly? That couldn't possibly be another wild assumption could it?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

And that means what exactly? That couldn't possibly be another wild assumption could it?

You're going off topic,this is about Katie Hopkins

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You're going off topic,this is about Katie Hopkins

The one and only

[Daniel.]

I want both the top and the boy.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You're going off topic,this is about Katie Hopkins

Katie Hopkins

[Northern Monkey]

No,She's a prize nobhead.She only says these things because she thinks its cool to be controversial.

[chuff me dizzy]

I will go back to Katie and say, if she's upset some people by attacking the lazy gets who cannot be bothered to get a job and feel the world owes them a living for doing nothing ,then good for her, its a pity there not more like her

[Liam-]

Welp, i give up, I've been well and truly put off Katie

[Daniel.]

Liam, don't let people change your opinions

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Who did she belittle? all she said was that SOME(now that is the important word !! SOME people are workshy and lazy,and that is the truth,it seems from some reactions she's a bit close to the mark,now I am moving on as we all know what comes next.

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Well considering you were only having a discussion with one person who was mainly criticising you and your opinions, i fail to see how it is a 'pack mentality' tbh, but whatever puts you at ease i suppose.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

You are so very wrong, i will have a discussion with anyone as long as they show respect and do not pounce in packs, I speak my mind in a fair way ,I do not expect some people to stand in waiting for me to post to pounce along with their lounge mates, Im an adult and act as one

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

And that means what exactly? That couldn't possibly be another wild assumption could it?

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You're going off topic,this is about Katie Hopkins

[Daniel.]

She probably doesn't even think that anyway, just says it for attention

[joeysteele]

I like Chuff, she is entitled to her views and clearly has seen instances where she has got rightly annoyed at perhaps some 'manipulation' of the benefits structure as to claiming.
So from the instances she makes,I accept she is right and respect wholly her views as to them.

From my end however,I myself have seen a different angle,and the problem with Katie Hopkins is she dumps all benefit claimants in the same bag as she does those she rudely calls fat people and any other group of people, usually those at the lower end of the scale of things, who she has a pre-set negative prejudiced view of.

While it is the case, those on benefits have TVs and the like, where they got them is a different thing, they could be from some firm being paid for by weekly payments,they could even come from some local authorities who provide goods at a small or no interest level, if you are on 'certain' benefits.

Or it could be as what a lot of my family do, when some in my family upgrade their 'luxuries' for want of a better word, if they know someone who is struggling and on benefits, then they hand the old goods over to them. free.
It may well be these things are not acquired without assistance from friends and family.

I have however, these last 2 years come across some of the poorest and weakest in society who are struggling and really going along on the bones of their backside due to the heartlessness from this govt as to its welfare reforms.
The number I have come across and helped, and even dealt with leaves me in little doubt from my perspective, they they are the vast majority and certainly not the minority.

Katie Hopkins problem is that she has no compassion or in fact, in my view, real understanding of the situations those who are the poorest and weakest find themselves in.
If organisations and others help to bring some pleasure to such people by helping out with so called 'luxuries' then good, that is really good I say.

There will always be some, who abuse the system, that is inevitable but please, it is not the majority of people and it is certainly not as the picture is that is painted by Katie Hopkins.
She is just someone who uses controversy and discrimination to get attention by being cowardly and getting at the weakest and poorest who she knows cannot fight back against the media publicity she gets against them, and that is publicity she really craves and feeds on too.

[Jason.]

50/50.

I don't think being fat and unemployment are linked.

In terms of being overweight, sometimes it is true, some people are lazy to loose the weight and continue to eat and eat, and consume more than they burn. However. But, she also fails to acknowledge the fact some people can't loose weight because of an illnesses such as Prader-Willi Syndrome.
The way I look at it is, if you don't mind being overweight, then fair enough. But if you complain about it get up and get moving.

Unemployed people again 50/50.
I hate it when people live off benefits and have never done a days work in their lives.
It's one thing trying your hardest to get a job, which is fine, but it's another just living off somebody.

I don't mind people working in lower-paid jobs getting benefits to help them, at least they work.

[bots]

It is perhaps worth a little perspective. Katie has not broken any law with her comment about fat and unemployed people and no one is forced to agree or disagree with her. Comedy often involves some level of criticism at some target group and Katie is nothing more than a caricature that perhaps tests the boundaries of good taste more than some people would like sometimes. That's the extent of her, its only annoying or hurtful if you let it be so.

Chuff has direct experience of people she knows and has voiced her opinion. Again, its hardly controversial, the government has said the same thing both directly and indirectly for years. Storm and tea cup ... and we are only on day 1

[Jake.]

I've never see a fat person at work so clearly the two are related

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Why do people have this misconception that people on the dole are raking it in from taxes lol

I had to sign on in 2009 when I broke my collarbone and all I got was £36 a week and the housing benefit only covered half of my rent thank god I have parents who were willing to help me out.

I cant see how anyone would be happy living off such a small amount and having to have to count pennies and pretty much be stuck at home with absolutely nothing to get out of bed for.

There are people who aspire to be poor and sit on their arse all day but that's just ****ing sad and I cannot believe the majority of dole collectors are people with no drive or ambition.

Saying that Katie still makes me laugh I think shes outrageously funny!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

She probably doesn't even think that anyway, just says it for attention

That kinda makes her an even worse character though, I think? Yesterday made it painfully clear that she's not only a legitimately awful person but also a pathetic tryhard who has become more of a rehearsed parody of herself over the years. You could see it in her face that she was grinding her gears so hard to come up with what she thought would be the most acerbic response and it was unfunny. I don't think that the twist of Katie having to be nice to people's faces while being super bitchy in the DR is much different from how she would've been naturally. She seems cut from the same cloth as Speidi, where she'll talk a big game in the DR but then back down from confrontation.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Why do people have this misconception that people on the dole are raking it in from taxes lol

I had to sign on in 2009 when I broke my collarbone and all I got was £36 a week and the housing benefit only covered half of my rent thank god I have parents who were willing to help me out.

I cant see how anyone would be happy living off such a small amount and having to have to count pennies and pretty much be stuck at home with absolutely nothing to get out of bed for.

There are people who aspire to be poor and sit on their arse all day but that's just ****ing sad and I cannot believe the majority of dole collectors are people with no drive or ambition.

And I know people who get more a week then my husband earns for working 40 hours

[GiRTh]

I think there is something very very wrong when Chuff constantly needs others to defend her right to an opinion. She can state what she wants on here and then we can laugh at her casual prejudices, uninformed ignorance and sweeping generalization.

[AnnieK]

I know a fat, unemployed, ginger called Ashlee......katie is her idol!

I don't believe for one minute katie believes all what she says to the extent she says, it's all done for effect and attention...which she is clearly getting..

I work in recruitment in a fairly deprived area if Manchester, Salford, and a lot of people who are long term unemployed DO want to work but jobs are sparse plus to earn a decent wage commensurable with the benefits they get is nigh on impossible....a lot of people would be far worse off in a job than not .....that's not their fault it the economy and benefit system they have become entrenched in.