[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Id like to know everyone views if it was Alexander

How is that relevant?

For me, the worse thing Ken said was when he called Alexander a 'good lad' before Alex calmly took him down a peg or two. What would Alex have done to have not been a 'good lad'?

Ken showed us how he thinks in that episode and no one can deny his clear prejudices.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Id like to know everyone views if it was Alexander commenting on Ken skin colour/culture ext

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Bigot.

LOL goodness no.. The phrase "The pot calling the kettle black" is an idiom used to claim that a person is guilty of the very thing of which they accuse another but you knew that already

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well as white people have never been degraded, segregated and sold into slavery based on their skin colour I doubt anyone would care

[unoino]

This is so funny...Ken saying a few words and some getting on their high horse and big racist card...lol...it seems anything you say today has racist conitations...come on my family are Irish and we love the Irish banter...were in 2015....what was in the past stays in the past

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well as white people have never been degraded, segregated and sold into slavery based on their skin colour I doubt anyone would care

Anybody can be a victim of racist abuse

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Anybody can be a victim of racist abuse

They certainly can

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Anybody can be a victim of racist abuse

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

They certainly can

Those poor white people.

[wendywillow]

i think ken was baiting alex, he didn't take the bait though, told him in the nicest way to knock it off

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by danielleahMarshal

Sorry dat u feel dat way however i am passionate in what i stand for and know to b facts i stand behind truth and i despise injustice....
words are can b jus as impactfull as an act. We as a ppl continue to have to push boundaries based on the past. The past has defined our makeup and in the present day it is still very clear the level of ignorance that still exist in todays modern society. As for manhandling he did not manhandle u r takin THAT too far to call it assault like really. I sympathise and have empathy for women who have been in serious situations. And this was certainly not one of those situations This however was pure unnecessary drama.

No it wasn't a 'serious' situation but an unacceptable one. It was a stupid judgement of Jeremy but his misjudgement was physical. What Ken said was equally ignorant and without thought but it wasn't malicious and was not meant to offend.... Alexander handled it superbly...perhaps others should deal with it in the same manner instead of jumping on the 'Racist' bandwagon.

[coffee]

Originally Posted by danielleahMarshal

And as far as chole is concerned acting so hysterical than to proceed to let us know "i know i done page three and stuff BUT..." the way she quickly was able to get her **** together once the whole situation blew up.
She is an actress... after all.

What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that she wasn't as affected by it than she was making out? Unless you've experienced something like that then I suggest you shut your mouth.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No it wasn't a 'serious' situation but an unacceptable one. It was a stupid judgement of Jeremy but his misjudgement was physical. What Ken said was equally ignorant and without thought but it wasn't malicious and was not meant to offend.... Alexander handled it superbly...perhaps others should deal with it in the same manner instead of jumping on the 'Racist' bandwagon.

When you've had to deal with such comments for a few decades then you will be in position to tell someone about the 'Racist bandwagon'. Alexander is 61 I bet he's had to deal with such comments for over 50 years.

[danielleahMarshal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well as white people have never been degraded, segregated and sold into slavery based on their skin colour I doubt anyone would care

well said.... i guess u r the voice of reason.
Thanku for putting it so plainly and in laymans terms

[danielleahMarshal]

Originally Posted by coffee

What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that she wasn't as affected by it than she was making out? Unless you've experienced something like that then I suggest you shut your mouth.

for ur info u shld shut urs before throwing ur own accusations at me. As i have. If u read on for ur simple minded self u will see i clearly state i do not advocate for groping fondelling touching a woman inappropriately. I stress again i empathize and know an understand the magnitude of these kind of situations that r serious and traumatizing however yes i will say chloe is an actress and she took it to the bank.
Period. Her body language wot she actually says utter bs

[Niamh.]

Can you all discuss the topic without insulting each other please? Thanks,

[coffee]

Originally Posted by danielleahMarshal

for ur info u shld shut urs before throwing ur own accusations at me. As i have. If u read on for ur simple minded self u will see i clearly state i do not advocate for groping fondelling touching a woman inappropriately. I stress again i empathize and know an understand the magnitude of these kind of situations that r serious and traumatizing however yes i will say chloe is an actress and she took it to the bank.
Period. Her body language wot she actually says utter bs

Nah, IMO she took it rather well than what a lot of people would. I don't think she was acting. I, myself have went through sexual assault and acted way more over the top than her and after was able to carry on with life as if it never happened. People obviously react differently so you have no right to say it was all an act.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by coffee

What is that supposed to mean? Are you saying that she wasn't as affected by it than she was making out? Unless you've experienced something like that then I suggest you shut your mouth.

AGREED. We cant sit as judge and jury and swear one thing when we aren't in that situation

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by Withano

It's not racist because he got away with saying it as a child. Okay Adam.

My best mate is black when I told her she said that's nothing to shout about we have been called worse over the years it would not offend her.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

My best mate is black when I told her she said that's nothing to shout about we have been called worse over the years it would not offend her.

TBH it wouldn't offend 99% of the black community. It only offends when you want it to. Im Irish and have been called everything from Paddy to potato muncher and I just laugh it off. However if I was in a competition and I knew it was laid on me to wind me up, I guess I would make an issue of it just to level the playing field. Alex thought Ken was getting a bit too big for his boots so he used the race card to shut him up.

Ken wasn't nasty and Alex wasn't upset, it is however food and fodder for forums and I guess perceptions will differ depending on peoples ideals, morals and agenda.

[danielleahMarshal]

Originally Posted by sampvt

TBH it wouldn't offend 99% of the black community. It only offends when you want it to. Im Irish and have been called everything from Paddy to potato muncher and I just laugh it off. However if I was in a competition and I knew it was laid on me to wind me up, I guess I would make an issue of it just to level the playing field. Alex thought Ken was getting a bit too big for his boots so he used the race card to shut him up.

Ken wasn't nasty and Alex wasn't upset, it is however food and fodder for forums and I guess perceptions will differ depending on peoples ideals, morals and agenda.

uniformed individual... whether or not alex was upset or not he put ken in his place. He cld have sed nothing however that word did not sit right with him hence his response. Alex jus did so in a diplomatic way.
i dont understand wen white ppl say ive been a victim of racism. Its tragic.
There is no comparison. Blk ppl do not throw the race card willing unless valid to do so. Why on earth wld u want to make reference to a time dat was so barbaric in the actions of others to a race. U wldnt understand clearly because of lack of information. And yes u are totally correct on one thing it is based on ones perception and morals. #ignorance

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by danielleahMarshal

I am absolutely sickened by big brothers episode this evening. If u can remove Jeremey from the house u should have also removed ken who i found to b highly offensive. I found what ken did was more repugnant, diabolical and atrocious then Jeremy. And as far as chole is concerned acting so hysterical than to proceed to let us know "i know i done page three and stuff BUT..." the way she quickly was able to get her **** together once the whole situation blew up.
She is an actress... after all.
I am a woman and i do not for one moment accept men groping or feeling up women. However she played that situation up, over and beyond. I cant stress how disgusted i am.
I have been a fan of big brother from day one, the days of Darren and nasty Nick however over the years bb has become so manipulative besides other reason i dont have the time to stress. I have therefore boycotted it for the past 2-3 yrs and watched the celebrity one less than a handful of times. The last bb i watched was in 2012. I wasnt going to watch this one until I saw katie hopkins was a contestant ( not a fan of hers), in order to watch the bull****. And it hasnt taken long for the bull**** to immerse. Kens words are reprehensible in comparison to Jeremy's action.
I have never in all of my life taken the time to register sign up to a forum especially big brother to have my say. But this just took the ultimate piss. Bb u have really out done yourself ur priorities R jacked up.
So to finish my say and the whole reason as to why i had to post here....
Ken insulted black ppl by using the word negro and continuing to call a black child a pickaninny
"From the days of slavery. The slave owners would "pick a nincompoop" from the lineup of slaves; or the slave children who couldn't pick cotton "ain't pickaninny"; in some parts of the south, breasts are referred to as ninnys, so pickaninny was a reference to blacks being used as wetnurses. It is morally revolting.
Just for ur plain ignorance!!! If Bb understood or gave a **** to the struggles that our ancestors had to fight and we as a people continue to fight subliminally, directly and indirectly he would be gone let alone the other bull**** that came out of his mouth only to b slapped with a "warning". R u having a ****ing laugh... u must b!!!!! Its an absolute abomination. At first i was like how dare u ken but as the episode continued to unfold its how dare u Big Brother. I guess the ones at the top are still wearing their glory suits....

Sickened and outraged?

you know that long thing, usually black, with lots of buttons on it?

One of them is the OFF switch, it should have OFF written on it but if not it will have a universal symbol for OFF

Now if you dont mind, while the rest of us enjoy the show, .... OFF

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by adamski94

He wasnt racist he said what he used to be able to say as a child he wasnt malicious with it

Im sorry but I dont agree.

He is not decrepid or suffering from Alzheimers or any form of Dementia, therefore he is well aware (unless he's been living in a mountain cave for the last 50 years) that this kind of language is not acceptable and never has been in our lifetime, no matter how many people used it in the 60's & 70's

We are no longer ignorant enough to think that terms used by Slave Masters are an acceptable way to reference a black person, and neither is Ken.

He seems to be on a crusade against political correctness, something I hate, but using slave terms against a black housemate, is not politically INcorrect, its ignorant and intentionally nasty

Do I think he should have been thrown out for saying it, part of me does, but I also loved the way Alexander handled it, he brought him down to the size of the man he really is, that was good TV!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Patricia4

My best mate is black when I told her she said that's nothing to shout about we have been called worse over the years it would not offend her.

Are you trying to argue that any N word is more unoffensive than it is offensive. Doubt it cos that would make you a complete idiot.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its not a case of getting away with it, when he was young there was no PC brigade,no one told you what words could or couldn't be said ( and neither should they nowadays, but they do)I know that over the years, names we call people have changed,when I left school I worked in a decorating shop and we sold "N****r brown" paint

Have you made a conclusion as to whether this is a correct or incorrect thing to promote?

[Ammi]

..if age were to be used as a reason and excuse for what he said then Alexander is of a similar age so he would have just accepted that coming from Ken, it was ok but he didn't because he knew it was wrongs so he rightly told him so...how is it that older black people know when something is offensive and wrong but some older white people don't....

[Ammi]

..I mean I've never heard an older black person say..well, I'll refer to myself as a negro because that's what I was called as a child...