[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Please do not imply that I am a liar. You are supposed to be a moderator and above this type of juvenile behaviour. And as for Data Protection, it is one thing to be non-specific with general details but quite another to delve into sensitive information.

I am not a liar.

I have come into this thread late and can see it is quite heated.

First of all I do not believe Kirk is lying to prove a point why would he, in fact his knowledge of this family is what has allowed him to illustrate his wider argument. Other posters on here might not agree with his point of view but I support his view.

And although I can appreciate that the monies involved in benefit fraud are small compared with say the defense Budget or the monies lost in Corporation Tax fraud, it is I feel more about the ethos and ambivalence of large groups of formerly working class people who are under the mindset that they are "entitled" to benefits (of any kind).

This mindset has become pervasive through large areas of the Country especially in inner city areas. The idea that you get "free money and other stuff" and then go out and work in the black economy, paying no Tax is an INSULT to all the hardworking honest Tax paying people of this Country. It is our tax that funds their lazy,idle, scrounging livestyles and regardless of what proportion of cost this amounts to, it is still plain wrong.

This is what the Govt in their usual ham fisted way are trying to tackle and for that they should be applauded.

The obesity angle however is interesting because people on benefits can feed their families on junk food more cheaply than shopping for organic foods in Waitrose. That said however, if the Govt really wants to reduce the levels of Obesity in this Country they need to sit down and think about the problem from all angles not just come up with right wing Newspaper grabbing sensationalist headlines attacking a very small part of the problem.





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