[the truth]

Originally Posted by Josy

Umm most of these people are the ones that genuinely need help.

It's not about people not wanting to work, the show is about bully tactics of the DWP, handing out unrealistic targets to people with prior knowledge that they can't carry them out therefore the DWP can then sanction their money.

This is affecting people that already struggle to live day to day with the pittance they receive on benefits.

pls give us 1 or 2 examples without giving names of disbled or truly sick people who have had their benefits taken or cut....Id genuinely like to know if this is happenning

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

pls give us 1 or 2 examples without giving names of disbled or truly sick people who have had their benefits taken or cut....Id genuinely like to know if this is happenning

There have been numerous issues raised on political programmes as to this,people with cancer having their benefits reduced and being considered for some work as they only get chemotherapy every 10 days.

What do you think all the appeals are that have been through the courts as to the sick and disabled having benefits cut or taken away, not being put in the support group of ESA but instead being placed in the work related activity group,(wrag), on a lesser benefit rate.

Charities and welfare groups and even social workers have had to help the sick and disabled even as far as court, to get the DWPs decisions overturned.
9 times out of 10 those appeals are won by the claimant too.

I got involved in many cases,not dealing with them myself but with the law firm I was with, this govt; has made the appeals process harder.
They have allowed to close, many of the welfare organisations that help these people, even the CAB has has to trim down and they are swamped with the loss of benefits problems as well as the obscene bedroom tax among all the other issues people go to them with.

If more people got out there and saw the massive stress caused to genuinely sick and disabled claimants,stress they should not be having at all.
Then it would soon become apparant how heartless and rotten this govts; reforms as to welfare have been and how they have hit the wrong claimants all the time.

Also,I am currently helping with a claim for PIP, the replacement for DLA, the claimant who has dementia, had a claim put in 6 months ago, they are still waiting to even hear if they are going to get it,as there is a backlog having to be dealt with.
That is disgusting to have to wait so long just for a decision.

Of course you won't find this prominant,if at all, in the press,they can only,if they do report it, put in in tiny sections somewhere in the middle pages, however if they find one scrounger then that will be all over the front pages.
Then people actually take on board that must be the norm as to benefit claimants,rather than find out the real facts.

I can tell you of another instance, someone told they couldn't claim ESA because they were too fit,then told they should claim jobseekers, they claimed jobseekers and were told they weren't fit enough to claim jobseekers and need to claim ESA, this went on for months before they finaly got something other than an emergency payment to tide them over.

This govt; has been told time and time again by charities,welfare groups and the CAB, as to the problems and distress caused to the sick and disabled by the changes to benefits.
It is dismissed, just like all things by this govt:
A rotten cruel govt; that has developed such a heartless arrogance, it doesn't even likely even look at what's going on.

It has lost appeal after appeal for years as to the loss of benefits to claimants.
Try to talk to some charities and welfare groups, they should be able to outline the problems the sick and disabled are having as to benefits problems.

That is what I did,and I was stunned at what I learned.
Then through my work,I was able to, in part,help and advise the sick and disabled to get their benefits fully restored again after being wrongly taken away from them.
Leaving me appalled that any genuine and sick person had to end up in court,with all the anxiety and distress that can cause, to fight to get their due entitlements under the law.

As Josy's excellent point and opening post to this thread states,this has been ongoing under new policy guidelines since 2012, under this rotten shower, no one else for these points.

It is another reason why for me anyway, this arrogant, smug,ignorant heartless shower get turfed out in May.
They dismiss everything and listen to no one, not about the weakest and most vulnerable.

Look at their attitude on food banks.
They always just argue use of food banks went up by over 10 times under Labour in 13 years.
It did from around 4,000 using them to over 40,000.
They then argue again,up to a year ago, that it had risen by again 10 times under the coalition, as if that is a justification.

Rising from 4,000 to over 40,000 is nothing like rising from 40,000 to over 400,000 and I understand it is estimated that the figure is more like half a million now.
More evidence of this govts; arrogance and dismissiveness to all things concerning the most vulnerable.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

When i was on benefits i had mine cut for a week for missing an appointment. Granted that was my fault. I messed up the dates.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

When i was on benefits i had mine cut for a week for missing an appointment. Granted that was my fault. I messed up the dates.

Vanessa,it is easy to get dates mixed up, they will pounce in an instant as to that but I come across people who have been told to attend an interview at the jobcentre,when they have got there then being told no appointment is recorded for them that day and told to go home.

Also I know someone who was sanctioned for not going to a job interview the jobcentre had arranged for them at 11.30am on a particular day.
A day they had an interview themselves at 10am and another at 1.30pm some distance apart.
They told the jobcentre this but they said they must go to that interview too.

The first interview took until after 11 am, no way could they get to the 11.30am jobcentre arranged one.
They were then told they would be being sanctioned for not going to it.

As it turned out, they got the 1.30pm job they went for and were able to tell the jobcentre where to go.
It doesn't always end up with that good result however and as you point out, people can get sanctioned ridiculously.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Vanessa,it is easy to get dates mixed up, they will pounce in an instant as to that but I come across people who have been told to attend an interview at the jobcentre,when they have got there then being told no appointment is recorded for them that day and told to go home.

Also I know someone who was sanctioned for not going to a job interview the jobcentre had arranged for them at 11.30am on a particular day.
A day they had an interview themselves at 10am and another at 1.30pm some distance apart.
They told the jobcentre this but they said they must go to that interview too.

The first interview took until after 11 am, no way could they get to the 11.30am jobcentre arranged one.
They were then told they would be being sanctioned for not going to it.

As it turned out, they got the 1.30pm job they went for and were able to tell the jobcentre where to go.
It doesn't always end up with that good result however and as you point out, people can get sanctioned ridiculously.

OMG They were so lucky they got the job.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

OMG They were so lucky they got the job.

Very much so Vanessa.
It is shocking the way people are being treated,also the way the jobcentre staff, well some of them, speak to people too as was pointed by a poster above, is an absolute disgrace too.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Very much so Vanessa.
It is shocking the way people are being treated,also the way the jobcentre staff, well some of them, speak to people too as was pointed by a poster above, is an absolute disgrace too.

Yes, i agree. it's rare to find anyone helpful at the jobcentre. I was glad when i got my old job back.