[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You are simply incorrect. I'm going to assume that you live in, or near, a large city if you believe that to be the case.

Away from those areas it doesn't matter if you're happy to lick up **** with your tongue... There will be plenty of other people competing to lick faster. I applied for a 16 hour shelf stacking job at Morrisons and was informed that there had been 316 other applicants - in a town of under 20,000.

I dont believe you. why didn't you clean something, care for someone, drive for someone, security jobs are everywhere too....even cold calling jobs, café jobs, bar jobs, endless customer services jobs, even selling door to door is something I earned a living from years ago. you clealry didn't look far and wide enough. but youre just going to repeat yourself now in a desperate attempt to convince yourself you couldn't have done any more to find work.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

I dont believe you. why didn't you clean something, care for someone, drive for someone, security jobs are everywhere too....even cold calling jobs, café jobs, bar jobs, endless customer services jobs, even selling door to door is something I earned a living from years ago. you clealry didn't look far and wide enough. but youre just going to repeat yourself now in a desperate attempt to convince yourself you couldn't have done any more to find work.

Again you're only proving that you must live in or near a major population center. The town I was stuck in at the time had about 5 bars and 3 cafes, none of which needed staff, and "endless" customer service roles? The last time I was back in that **** hole most of the shops had completely shut down. They were really not seeking staff. I'm obviously not saying that finding a job is impossible because I did find one. I'm saying it can take time. Might be weeks, might be months, but it's basically unheard of to go out to "find a job" and be working the very next day. If you think it's not the case, then you either haven't experienced it first hand, or you are lying.

In fact, even the job I did get, for the company I still work for, it was three months from application to starting work. Four months from application to pay in the bank. It took them 3 weeks to offer an interview, another 3 weeks from the interview to get a call offering the job, and 6 weeks from that call until the start date.

Once again - I am not condoning long term benefits for people who have no intention of working. I'm saying that benefits are ESSENTIAL because of how long the process of finding work can be.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again you're only proving that you must live in or near a major population center. The town I was stuck in at the time had about 5 bars and 3 cafes, none of which needed staff, and "endless" customer service roles? The last time I was back in that **** hole most of the shops had completely shut down. They were really not seeking staff. I'm obviously not saying that finding a job is impossible because I did find one. I'm saying it can take time. Might be weeks, might be months, but it's basically unheard of to go out to "find a job" and be working the very next day. If you think it's not the case, then you either haven't experienced it first hand, or you are lying.

In fact, even the job I did get, for the company I still work for, it was three months from application to starting work. Four months from application to pay in the bank. It took them 3 weeks to offer an interview, another 3 weeks from the interview to get a call offering the job, and 6 weeks from that call until the start date.

Once again - I am not condoning long term benefits for people who have no intention of working. I'm saying that benefits are ESSENTIAL because of how long the process of finding work can be.

highly populated ? I live in mid wales lol theres more sheep than people...ive never been out of work other than when im sick. theres no excuse for ANYONE to be out of work if theyre fit enough to work.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

highly populated ? I live in mid wales lol theres more sheep than people...ive never been out of work other than when im sick. theres no excuse for ANYONE to be out of work if theyre fit enough to work.

You are then a very lucky individual,if that is all the case for you and where you are then,as I said earlier everyone should maybe try to move there, it sounds like stepping through a looking glass into a near dream world.
It is not somewhere I have found in all the areas I have found people needing help.
So well done to all the authorities and the people where you are.

I have to say and was surprised to hear you say you don't believe him, that the experiences from Toy Soldier are more what I have found to be the case.
From the angle of researching the real situation, by not just believing the grubby press accounts,then getting involved in helping some really desperate people who cannot find work but who would love to work.

As Toy Soldier says, signing on is almost humiliating and in fact,very little help is there for them too.
When we are alright and things going well for us, it is easy to judge and say all people should do this and do that,however that is too generalised and is an unfair direction and judgement,that is just my view.

Also after being out of work for any length of time things can appear a lot worse, confidence is shattered from endless knockbacks at interviews,that is before you get the further pressures from the jobcentres and threats of sanctions too.

I'd rather, any day, go down the non judgemental route and show some understanding and compassion.
How things are where you live seem ideal,almost an oasis set in the nightmare of the rest of the UK.
It is a pity the politicians don't know of the massive success and lack of problems there,since even they have no clue how to deal fairly with the situation of the jobless.
As Toy Soldier was pointing out very strongly from his own personal experiences too.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

I dont believe you. why didn't you clean something, care for someone, drive for someone, security jobs are everywhere too....even cold calling jobs, café jobs, bar jobs, endless customer services jobs, even selling door to door is something I earned a living from years ago. you clealry didn't look far and wide enough. but youre just going to repeat yourself now in a desperate attempt to convince yourself you couldn't have done any more to find work.

The ignorance is suffocating.

Most Care jobs require qualifications and/or experience, if you've never done Care before then it isn't an easy field to get into. Cleaning is a busy sector, it's like telling people to get into retail, it's hard because it's a go to sector for a lot of unskilled workers. Most Securty jobs require a Security qualification and those cards that aren't CSCS cards but are similar. 99% of cold calling jobs are scams that are purely commission based and offer little to no actual money. Bar and Cafe work are highly in demand and competitive and Door to Door sales have the same issues as cold calling jobs.

You really have no clue what you are on about. You've just been completely whipped by the Daily Mail into swallowing whatever bull**** headline they spit out.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The ignorance is suffocating.

Most Care jobs require qualifications and/or experience, if you've never done Care before then it isn't an easy field to get into. Cleaning is a busy sector, it's like telling people to get into retail, it's hard because it's a go to sector for a lot of unskilled workers. Most Securty jobs require a Security qualification and those cards that aren't CSCS cards but are similar. 99% of cold calling jobs are scams that are purely commission based and offer little to no actual money. Bar and Cafe work are highly in demand and competitive and Door to Door sales have the same issues as cold calling jobs.

You really have no clue what you are on about. You've just been completely whipped by the Daily Mail into swallowing whatever bull**** headline they spit out.

SIA badges that are £100 and the security training beforehand costs loads too, I was going to put this earlier but it would've been a waste of energy.