[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Hi Cherie

Cod liver - Joints
Multi Vitamins - to make sure i get what i need!
Acidophilus - Good bacteria (i suffer with reflux and have had immunity issues so hopefully these help)
Milk Thistle - gives liver support
Blue Green Algae - to fight inflammation, b vits, antioxidant
Evening primrose - pms, endometriosis
Vit C and Zinc pastille to boost immunity.

I've suffered with chronic fatigue and gluten sensitivity for years and have bouts of inflammation, as well as past endometriosis. My cholesterol is on the high side some of the above can reduce cholesterol.

I suspect my immunity is low after years of insomnia, and suffer health anxiety.

I honestly don't know if they are working, i will let you know in 6 months!

Sometimes i can walk miles and then other times i can barely walk a block!

Drs are useless though, that's why i'm trying vitamin and mineral supplements.

Thanks! hope they work, my problem would be remembering to take them all Ruby x

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ask yourself

Where is my evidence?

If its anecdotal or from a label

......

Lots of vitamins have been investigated and actually are proven to work.

Vitamin deficiencies in some people can be extremely dangerous, some people can't absorb as much vitamins and minerals into the body as others due to certain illnesses or allergies (I have a citrus allergy so take vit c) others are not getting enough into the body due poor diet or to being vegetarian and not consuming enough animal product etc.

B deficiencies have been tested and linked to chronic fatigue, severe anaemia, Alzheimer's, skin conditions and lots more. (you know your Lunulas (halfmoons) on your fingernails? if they are gone then theres a good chance you have a B vitamin deficiency)

Vitamin C is great for repairing tissue in the body, skin disorders, healthy bones and teeth and so on.

Vitamin D which has already had it's daily recommendation raised by the Institute of Medicine is well documented in protecting bones and helps people with illnesses such as osteoporosis and similar.

These are just small examples.

Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't mean it's a placebo.

And most vitamins are used by the body as needed then the rest is disposed of safely anyway so there's no real harm in taking what you think you need.

You just keep enjoying your whiskies and let others do what they feel is best for them. Hey maybe you should get some vitamin C into you to help out your poor liver

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lots of vitamins have been investigated and actually are proven to work.

Vitamin deficiencies in some people can be extremely dangerous, some people can't absorb as much vitamins and minerals into the body as others due to certain illnesses or allergies (I have a citrus allergy so take vit c) others are not getting enough into the body due poor diet or to being vegetarian and not consuming enough animal product etc.

B deficiencies have been tested and linked to chronic fatigue, severe anaemia, Alzheimer's, skin conditions and lots more. (you know your Lunulas (halfmoons) on your fingernails? if they are gone then theres a good chance you have a B vitamin deficiency)

Vitamin C is great for repairing tissue in the body, skin disorders, healthy bones and teeth and so on.

Vitamin D which has already had it's daily recommendation raised by the Institute of Medicine is well documented in protecting bones and helps people with illnesses such as osteoporosis and similar.

These are just small examples.

Just because it's something you don't understand doesn't mean it's a placebo.

And most vitamins are used by the body as needed then the rest is disposed of safely anyway so there's no real harm in taking what you think you need.

You just keep enjoying your whiskies and let others do what they feel is best for them. Hey maybe you should get some vitamin C into you to help out your poor liver

http://www.livescience.com/42001-cas...ctors-say.html

a balanced diet and time outdoors provides all the vitamins a normal person needs

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

http://www.livescience.com/42001-cas...ctors-say.html

Very good. A link that says 'some physicians'

For every study you find that is negative about them there is plenty more that are positive and have been proven to work.

However, I think I would prefer to take the advice of my doctor and blood work results to a randomly linked article on the internet anyday.

Edited to respond to your edit..

You have now changed your tune, of course a 'normal' person with no deficiencies or illness/reasons to need vitamins doesn't need to take them but...that's not what you first said is it.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Josy

Very good. A link that says 'some physicians'

For every study you find that is negative about them there is plenty more that are positive and have been proven to work.

However, I think I would prefer to take the advice of my doctor and blood work results to a randomly linked article on the internet anyday.

Edited to respond to your edit..

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing

You have now changed your tune, of course a 'normal' person with no deficiencies or illness/reasons to need vitamins doesn't need to take them but...that's not what you first said is it.

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing. However doctors prescribe all sorts of drugs with very limited science to bck them up like anti-depressants and they also prescribe a lot of placebo as well to get folk out of the waiting rooms.

if you have evidence that unprescribed over the counter vitamin supplements work then lets see it



http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-su...-multivitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog..._summary.shtml

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/12Decemb...d-benefit.aspx

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...04_Article.jsp

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am not saying if your doctor prescribes a supplement course to treat an ailment I am talking about self diagnosis by marketing. However doctors prescribe all sorts of drugs with very limited science to bck them up like anti-depressants and they also prescribe a lot of placebo as well to get folk out of the waiting rooms.

if you have evidence that unprescribed over the counter vitamin supplements work then lets see it



http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-su...-multivitamins

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog..._summary.shtml

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/12Decemb...d-benefit.aspx

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...04_Article.jsp

https://xenophilius.wordpress.com/20...not-take-hmmm/

That's EXACTLY what you were saying with your first few posts in this thread though, you ridiculed ALL vitamins and supplements as being placebos and a waste of money. That's not true. Which is what I was responding to when I replied to you.

You then changed your tune and said what you did above.

I'm not interested in the links you are providing tbh because they are nothing to do with the initial posts of yours I replied to, you backpeddled after that and as I mentioned before I would much rather take my doctors advice because he can see my blood work and knows that I need to take certain vitamins and that they do actually stop me from becoming deficient.

There are a few other members on the thread that have actually posted that they needed vitamins to treat certain ailments and that the vitamins did help, it was proven by their blood work, what more proof do you need?

There is no debate about whether we need important vitamins in our body to survive and if you have a deficiency or are just above borderline then you do need to take vitamins and they do work, that's a fact.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Josy

That's EXACTLY what you were saying with your first few posts in this thread though, you ridiculed ALL vitamins and supplements as being placebos and a waste of money. That's not true. Which is what I was responding to when I replied to you.

You then changed your tune and said what you did above.

I'm not interested in the links you are providing tbh because they are nothing to do with the initial posts of yours I replied to, you backpeddled after that and as I mentioned before I would much rather take my doctors advice because he can see my blood work and knows that I need to take certain vitamins and that they do actually stop me from becoming deficient.

There are a few other members on the thread that have actually posted that they needed vitamins to treat certain ailments and that the vitamins did help, it was proven by their blood work, what more proof do you need?

There is no debate about whether we need important vitamins in our body to survive and if you have a deficiency or are just above borderline then you do need to take vitamins and they do work, that's a fact.

you posted an ambiguous thread then have a go because we cant tell what angle you are coming from until it suits you?

I would stop taking all the pills