[Nedusa]

He is not very respectful of other people's religious views, and has an air of condescending arrogance about him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

He is not very respectful of other people's religious views, and has an air of condescending arrogance about him.

how so?

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how so?

I always think he talks down to people like " Daddy knows best" kinda attitude.

He is totally Anti theist and scorns the very idea of religion because there's no proof .

But there's no proof God doesn't exist so he should bear that in mind a bit more before he goes off on one of his condescending anti religious rants.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I always think he talks down to people like " Daddy knows best" kinda attitude.

He is totally Anti theist and scorns the very idea of religion because there's no proof .

But there's no proof God doesn't exist so he should bear that in mind a bit more before he goes off on one of his condescending anti religious rants.

The there is no proof gods don't exist is no defence

There is no onus to prove this so ignores it and rightly so

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The there is no proof gods don't exist is no defence

There is no onus to prove this so ignores it and rightly so

There is no onus? LOL... He's not in a court of law. And it makes me chuckle that atheists and anti-theists (thanks for that Nedusa) fall back on the argument of the onus being on the religious to prove their faith and think that's a nice, tidy, smug way to win the argument. It is complete bullsh1t. The only way to know definitively that God exists is to die. Dawkins is entitled to his opinion. If only he would grant that courtesy to people who believe differently to him.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

There is no onus? LOL... He's not in a court of law. And it makes me chuckle that atheists and anti-theists (thanks for that Nedusa) fall back on the argument of the onus being on the religious to prove their faith and think that's a nice, tidy, smug way to win the argument. It is complete bullsh1t. The only way to know definitively that God exists is to die. Dawkins is entitled to his opinion. If only he would grant that courtesy to people who believe differently to him.

Excellent post, well said Livia.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The there is no proof gods don't exist is no defence

There is no onus to prove this so ignores it and rightly so

Wrong. Theres no definitive proof either way if thereis a greater power. So dawkins pitiful arrogant stance as if he is certain theres no higher power and mocks anyone with any faith is disgusting. hes a boring twat. he should stick to being an alleged scientist, I couldn't care less or wish to hear of any more ofhis sensationalised attention seeking ignorant drivel

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

Wrong. Theres no definitive proof either way if thereis a greater power. So dawkins pitiful arrogant stance as if he is certain theres no higher power and mocks anyone with any faith is disgusting. hes a boring twat. he should stick to being an alleged scientist, I couldn't care less or wish to hear of any more ofhis sensationalised attention seeking ignorant drivel

yes but how do you really feel?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes but how do you really feel?

Are you extracting the urine LT?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

He is not very respectful of other people's religious views, and has an air of condescending arrogance about him.

He knows Better than You do.

Buy his great book
I did

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

He knows Better than You do.

Buy his great book
I did

That's just it.... He doesn't know better than me or you or anyone else for that matter.

He only knows what all of us know but is better at putting the anti religious viewpoint across.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

That's just it.... He doesn't know better than me or you or anyone else for that matter.

He only knows what all of us know but is better at putting the anti religious viewpoint across.

That's his whole point, he deals in science and logic and facts religion doesn't do that it can't.
He isn't anti religion, it's a theory is all and the burden of proof is not on him.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's his whole point, he deals in science and logic and facts religion doesn't do that it can't.
He isn't anti religion, it's a theory is all and the burden of proof is not on him.

Maybe so, but I ask you if 4/5 of the Worlds population believe in a Deity and one fifth do not believe , then surely it is slightly arrogant for the minority to assume they are right and everybody else is wrong.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Maybe so, but I ask you if 4/5 of the Worlds population believe in a Deity and one fifth do not believe , then surely it is slightly arrogant for the minority to assume they are right and everybody else is wrong.

This is a misrepresentation really. They don't all believe the same things. You can't lump numerous belief systems into one group for a "versus"... They can't ALL be right, it's impossible. At best, you could give the title" majority" to the biggest of the bunch (is that Catholicism or a branch of Islam? I'm not entirely sure...) but even then it's far from being an overall majority. There are more non-Catholics than Catholics, there are more non-Muslims than Muslims, etc etc.

There are more non-atheists than atheists, but it's no more arrogant for an atheist to assume that they are right than it is for a Catholic or a Muslim or a Scientologist.

Show me a devout Religious person who doesn't talk about God as if he's sure that God is real (and by necessity, believes that anyone who believes in any other God, or no God at all, is wrong).

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is a misrepresentation really. They don't all believe the same things. You can't lump numerous belief systems into one group for a "versus"... They can't ALL be right, it's impossible. At best, you could give the title" majority" to the biggest of the bunch (is that Catholicism or a branch of Islam? I'm not entirely sure...) but even then it's far from being an overall majority. There are more non-Catholics than Catholics, there are more non-Muslims than Muslims, etc etc.

There are more non-atheists than atheists, but it's no more arrogant for an atheist to assume that they are right than it is for a Catholic or a Muslim or a Scientologist.

Show me a devout Religious person who doesn't talk about God as if he's sure that God is real (and by necessity, believes that anyone who believes in any other God, or no God at all, is wrong).

Look you don't need to lump together like minded religious people v non religious people to have this argument.

If you take ALL THE people in the World that believe in some form of higher existence and a Deity of some description and pit them against avid non believers then the proportions are quite overwhelming.
90% or more of the Worlds population believe in something so there must be something in our DNA that hard wires us to believe there is more.

So this must be the default position and as much as atheists and the like argue smugly with their scientific logic they must wonder why so many billions of people still believe passionately in something that cannot be proven scientifically.
So yes it is for that reason that I say it is slightly arrogant to assume the 5% is right and smile condescendingly at the other 95%.