[Livia]

Maybe you should have posted that quote first?

Still not a definite plan though. It's not even being debated as a plan. And let's face it, he'll never get enough power to bring it in even if his party agree to it. Which they probably won't ever.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

With respect, I have analysed the linked article and your original statement would appear to be grossly exaggerated; "Don't forget this is the mad who thinks the NHS should be up to the highest bidder.."

The article does not suggest that at all -- in my opinion.

Oh you can argue the semantics of my post till you're blue in the face I'm not interested.
I was asked to provide proof of his view on the future of the NHS and I have, I'm drawing a line under this now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe you should have posted that quote first?

Still not a definite plan though. It's not even being debated as a plan. And let's face it, he'll never get enough power to bring it in even if his party agree to it. Which they probably won't ever.

Maybe I can post as I see fit, I don't have to pander to anyone.

You can believe it or don't ... That's your issue.
I hope to god they won't, no argument from me there.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

Not when their family is in the car.

Well he should think about that when he spouts prejudice rubbish to protect his precious little Banker Buddies if he wants to keep his family safe.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well he should think about that when he spouts prejudice rubbish to protect his precious little Banker Buddies if he wants to keep his family safe.

Really? What prejudice rubbish? Are people not entitled to believe and want imigration controls etc? Nothing prejudice there. It is everyones right to be able to go out without being harrassed

Forgive me for saying it, but with your above post, its you who is coming across as having the prejudice

[Northern Monkey]

Weirdos.Don't think i would've been so patient,That bloke on the bonnet would've been on the floor spitting teeth and bleeding if i was Farage(why i'm not a politician lol).
Bet they were all scoffing over their carrot juice and tofu sandwiches later at how proud they are about scaring some kids.Wankers.

[Kizzy]

Oh my god... suddenly farage is some all conquering hero against the 'loony' left?

That small group does not represent the 'left' nor are their actions here advocated by anyone who truly has the preservation of the NHS and/or disagree with him on any other issue at heart.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Can't stand Farage but protesters like this annoy me more, in what way is this a legitimate protest. Wonder who will garner more sympathy; the baying mob aggressively attacking anyone they disagree with or the bloke who is taking his family down the local pub for a Sunday roast. Know who I'd rather have in my town

reverse bigotry the feminists do it the foreigners do it now the anti ukip do it.....as long as its done against a white man its allowed otherwise its sexist or racist in this insane basket case of a country

[Vicky.]

****ing disgrace. I am far from Farage's biggest fan but this is terrible. It would be bad enough if it was just him harassed when out on his own, but his family too?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

****ing disgrace. I am far from Farage's biggest fan but this is terrible. It would be bad enough if it was just him harassed when out on his own, but his family too?

[Kizzy]

Bad enough.... I know we're English but how else are you to show your depreciation other than vocalise it, stand there and tut? Write a strongly worded letter?

[Samm]

Farage deserves it

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Bad enough.... I know we're English but how else are you to show your depreciation other than vocalise it, stand there and tut? Write a strongly worded letter?

Vote for another party.Don't jump all over his bonnet like a baboon in a safari park.These people just made themselves look like immature idiots.Maybe that's what they were going for but if it's not then they've failed miserably.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Really? What prejudice rubbish? Are people not entitled to believe and want imigration controls etc? Nothing prejudice there. It is everyones right to be able to go out without being harrassed

Forgive me for saying it, but with your above post, its you who is coming across as having the prejudice

How? Because I don't want him attacking immigrants for the reason the whole world is suffering a recession? Because he attacks people on benefits? Or is it the fact that he won't blame the Bankers for the whole recession? Or the fact that I don't want him to allow a policy like shopkeepers being allowed to not serve customers based off prejudicial reasons?

I have plenty of reasons to dislike Farage, and all of them very valid.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Bad enough.... I know we're English but how else are you to show your depreciation other than vocalise it, stand there and tut? Write a strongly worded letter?

When hes at work I have no problem with protests and such. But when hes having a day out with the family, or even an afternoon in the pub on his own..well I think it shows these twats who were 'protesting' up to be quite honest. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but this is just stupid and gains him more sympathy than anything else

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Farage deserves it

Exactly, his messing with peoples lives when he makes his OTT statements.

The only people that deserve sympathy here are Farage's family, anybody giving it out to the trash himself need to seriously get help imo.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Did you look at the article?.... it went on.

'Now Mr Farage has revived the idea, saying his party will have to “return” to it after the May general election. In a BBC Radio 4 interview to be broadcast today, he said: “I triggered a debate within Ukip that was outright rejected by my colleagues, so I have to accept that. As time goes on, this is a debate that we’re all going to have to return to.”

You can ignore it but the fact is he obviously has this as a plan.

I get where you are coming from Kizzy, Nigel Farage has backtracked as to the NHS several times and as you say, he was advocating private/health insurance systems at one time.

We have also seen how on a great number of occasions, where candidates for UKIP are way at odds with things Nigel Farage says anyway,hence his constant need to have to explain what the 'real' thinking is.

Were he to win a fair to good number of seats,also since it seems he can be made to backtrack rather easily, who really knows what he and the rest of UKIPs MPs would support or keep standing for as to the NHS.

It is that, the obscure detail he will not clearly spell out that leaves me very suspicious as to what UKIP overall,'not just him',would decide for the future of the NHS, given the chance.

From the confusion, he and his party have created as to it, I have my suspicions I would not like at all their plans for the NHS, so would not like to see them trusted with it at all,along with their dangerous, in my view, EU policy too.

I have my very firm view, the future of the NHS, for those who care about it, will not be safe in the Conservative party's hands,'never under David Cameron's leadership, or UKIPs now too,that is what I think.

I am pretty sure were the Lib Dems able to form a coalition govt; with Labour after May, then if Labour can still reverse any of the disastrous top down re-organisation doen in this parliament, that the Lib Dems would likely happily march into the lobby to vote to reverse what they supported over the last few years.

A Conservative majority govt; or a Conservative led govt; with UKIP support would probably see,in my view, the end of the NHS as to its founding principles.
With then in place good care for those able to finance same from wealth or health insurance
Followed with a basic healthcare for those most vulnerable.

I really see that happening under this hardline Conservative party,who I felt I couldn't belive and trust with the NHS in 2010 and have been shown to be right to have thought that way then too, and now also UKIP.
I trust neither of them and agree with you, there is a lot very unclear as to UKIP on this issue and a right to be very suspicious of them.

Voters who 'really' care about the NHS however,cannot say they weren't warned what could happen and likely will if they trust either or both of these 2 with the NHS in May.

Having said all that, I deplore these attacks on him and his family.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

How? Because I don't want him attacking immigrants for the reason the whole world is suffering a recession? Because he attacks people on benefits? Or is it the fact that he won't blame the Bankers for the whole recession? Or the fact that I don't want him to allow a policy like shopkeepers being allowed to not serve customers based off prejudicial reasons?

I have plenty of reasons to dislike Farage, and all of them very valid.

This is a democracy you know. He is not doing anything illegal, so for you to suggest its perfectly fine for him to be harassed is beyond ridiculous

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Farage deserves it

what an immature comment

smh

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This is a democracy you know. He is not doing anything illegal, so for you to suggest its perfectly fine for him to be harassed is beyond ridiculous

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

You have the right to your view and clearly you strongly dislike just about all the Nigel Farage and UKIP likely stand for, what we really know of anyway as to what they stand for.

I don't agree with the attacks on him and his family while out anywhere, however, Nigel Farage by his 'foreigner; statements and blaming immigration for near all the UKs ills has helped fuel anger and suspicion against those groups of people too.
So in a subtle way, he is causing fear and concern for other groups of people by his intolerant rhetoric towards them, as you are indicating he has done too.

That equally is something that should be abhorrent to the UK.
That too however,since UKIP is identified as occupying the far right side of politics, is coming from the right and has nothing to do with left wing loonies at all.

In the late 80s,I am told, if you blamed Europe for the problems in the UK and advocated leaving Europe, you were considered dangerous and from the loony left.
Now it is the right of politics that seek or more likely want to do that,so what does that make them in that case.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When hes at work I have no problem with protests and such. But when hes having a day out with the family, or even an afternoon in the pub on his own..well I think it shows these twats who were 'protesting' up to be quite honest. I disagree with a lot of what he says, but this is just stupid and gains him more sympathy than anything else

Oh yes I 100% agree vicky. I said so on the thread too but but when he's out canvassing he's quite rightly going to get the full force of public opinion, the last thing this place needs is another right wing banker funded stooge.
I hope he gets that in stereo everywhere he goes.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Of course it's a democracy, and it's my right to disagree with his opinions on a lot of things.

And actually I think some of his policies should be against the law to try and condone imo, like privatising the NHS which hurts the working class, it's attacking a whole group of people which shouldn't be allowed.

Protecting the Bankers and blaming it on people on Benefits, and foreigners is very corrupt and unfair grief being given out to these two sets of people (which nobody seems to care about when he started the whole thing off in the first place) and I remember when he had someone in his party who believed in hanging people that believed in the EU.

So yes Farage and anybody in that party can get harassed if people want to as imo they've broken many laws along with the Tories if it was Russia or a Middle East country doing the same thing.

So yes people protest, although not like the Riots.

Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Firstly, it was the lack of regulation and encouragement by governments that created an environment for bankers to lend as they did. Secondly, no one, and i mean no one, did more to protect the bankers than Gordon Brown and the then labour government

You are vastly exaggerating Nigel's stance on immigration. He wants controls on it ... have we forgotten so quickly Gordon Brown's famous sound byte, British jobs for British people? This was the prime minister at the time,

The purpose of a democracy is to PEACEFULLY debate and explore issues of the day, arriving at consensus which then drives future policy. Harassing those that speak out and question the current systems, is not democracy, far from it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Firstly, it was the lack of regulation and encouragement by governments that created an environment for bankers to lend as they did. Secondly, no one, and i mean no one, did more to protect the bankers than Gordon Brown and the then labour government

You are vastly exaggerating Nigel's stance on immigration. He wants controls on it ... have we forgotten so quickly Gordon Brown's famous sound byte, British jobs for British people? This was the prime minister at the time,

The purpose of a democracy is to PEACEFULLY debate and explore issues of the day, arriving at consensus which then drives future policy. Harassing those that speak out and question the current systems, is not democracy, far from it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Lets get a few facts straight shall we?

Firstly, it was the lack of regulation and encouragement by governments that created an environment for bankers to lend as they did. Secondly, no one, and i mean no one, did more to protect the bankers than Gordon Brown and the then labour government

You are vastly exaggerating Nigel's stance on immigration. He wants controls on it ... have we forgotten so quickly Gordon Brown's famous sound byte, British jobs for British people? This was the prime minister at the time,

The purpose of a democracy is to PEACEFULLY debate and explore issues of the day, arriving at consensus which then drives future policy. Harassing those that speak out and question the current systems, is not democracy, far from it.

We were in a GLOBAL recession it wouldn't have mattered who was in power, we were going to struggle.
The bankers lent money they didn't have, they were bailed out because they had no money, what else could a PM do to protect the economy?

You are forgetting Farages very forgiving stance on blatant and repeated racism within his party even today he is in the news again passing racist comments off as a 'joke'..... yes, it's funny if you're a fan of bigoted 70's sitcoms maybe?

Anyone has the right to speak as and when they like against things that infringe or damage our civil liberties, the purpose of a democracy is to listen and act according to the will of the majority of the voting electorate who have cast their vote on the strength of your promises via a manifesto.... Does this happen?....no!
Politicians lie through their back teeth to get in and once in do what the eff they like, so if they can't play by the rule why the hell should anyone else?.....