[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That was the problem with all of them tonight, they got such little time and were so unable to get into any flowing debate that all they could do was get in a few sound bites before they moved onto the next leader. 7 people trying to all debate each other simply doesn't work.

I do agree. That's what galled me; how some (mainly the Green jerk-off) proffered their remedies' but we never heard how they were planning to fund these 'miraculous cure alls' - except Farage who explained it would be out of the billions saved from the £9/10 billion saved on our EU net cost.

[empire]

the establishment are having sleepless night because of the ukip army of voters,

[the truth]

7 PEOPLE OR 20 PEOPLE farage nailed the lot of them
sturgeon was solid
clegg was a smug fool
Cameron was solid enough
miliband a joke, even Leanne wood nailed him
the green leaf hippie was a harmless joke
wood didn't do much but she nailed miliband on welsh nhs

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

My rankings are:

1. Miliband
2. Clegg
3. Farage
4. Cameron

And I actually like Cameron and don't really like Miliband but Dave was very uninspiring tonight, just looked like he was desperate to get through it

1 farage
2. Cameron
3 sturgeon
4 wood
5 clegg
6 the hippie
7 the champagne socialist

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Nigel blew any chance his party has of picking up new seats by targeting the hiv community. Such a small number/saving if it was stopped. It was political suicide. Game over.

Again Ed didn't convince me he would be a solid PM, and that's what he needs to do if he is going to get the votes. He just doesn't come across as credible, and he doesn't seem to have learned from Gordon's mistakes.

this is where youre 100% WRONG. hes not playing a game like everyone else targeting who wants to hear what....farage simply said THE TRUTH....the truth is always the best thing to say and he has the balls to say it..........can we afford for our nhs to pay 60% of of its hiv virus treatments to foreigners, its a legitimate question? at £25,000 per injection. that's £175 million a year....but its the principle that's the real point

[bots]

Originally Posted by the truth

this is where youre 100% WRONG. hes not playing a game like everyone else targeting who wants to hear what....farage simply said THE TRUTH....the truth is always the best thing to say and he has the balls to say it..........can we afford for our nhs to pay 60% of of its hiv virus treatments to foreigners, its a legitimate question? at £25,000 per injection. that's £175 million a year....but its the principle that's the real point

I think I'm 100% correct. Nigel may have said some things that nationalists will support, but in terms of main stream acceptability, he blew it with that statement. They will now pick up next to no seats. I would go as far as to say he sealed a Tory victory

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think I'm 100% correct. Nigel may have said some things that nationalists will support, but in terms of main stream acceptability, he blew it with that statement. They will now pick up next to no seats. I would go as far as to say he sealed a Tory victory

well we shall have to agree to disagree....he said the truth, he asked the question are we here to pay for this? he also asked Leanne wood back should it be 7000 , 17,000 people? how many? where do we draw the line? she avoided the question didn't answer it and hid behind her false outrage as so many dishonest politicians always do........these are questions that must be asked and are always asked behind closed doors....whose lives do we save? who can we afford to save? lets be truthful for once and have this debate in public....so I ask you bit on the side how many people from abroad should we give these injections to? 7000 as it is or more or less? why do other nations give so much less? how is this figure reached? can we afford the fact that 60% of the hiv patients we treat are foreignors? ill admit I don't know the answer but its right that farage actually asks the question, I applaud him for that

[arista]

[Marsh.]

"Massdebate"

[Jay.]

Well, I wonder who the Sun are backing?

[bots]

Originally Posted by the truth

well we shall have to agree to disagree....he said the truth, he asked the question are we here to pay for this? he also asked Leanne wood back should it be 7000 , 17,000 people? how many? where do we draw the line? she avoided the question didn't answer it and hid behind her false outrage as so many dishonest politicians always do........these are questions that must be asked and are always asked behind closed doors....whose lives do we save? who can we afford to save? lets be truthful for once and have this debate in public....so I ask you bit on the side how many people from abroad should we give these injections to? 7000 as it is or more or less? why do other nations give so much less? how is this figure reached? can we afford the fact that 60% of the hiv patients we treat are foreignors? ill admit I don't know the answer but its right that farage actually asks the question, I applaud him for that

Your making it into something that it really wasn't about though. Nigel wanted to make some political points over health tourism. If its a big issue, you highlight the scale of it in general terms, because that equates to quantifiable savings/benefits. He chose to highlight it by being controversial when he didn't need to be. That's a mistake and believe me, it will cost him the main stream vote.

[Marsh.]

Ugly bastards who won the lottery.

[empire]

farage has a point, about spending more. how can we spend more, when we are borrowing ,and are in huge debt, he was right about the foreign aid, it needs cut, and the money we give to the eu needs cut big time,

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Your making it into something that it really wasn't about though. Nigel wanted to make some political points over health tourism. If its a big issue, you highlight the scale of it in general terms, because that equates to quantifiable savings/benefits. He chose to highlight it by being controversial when he didn't need to be. That's a mistake and believe me, it will cost him the main stream vote.

so how many should we give the aids drugs to? why don't you just answer the question honestly instead of sanctimonious preaching? he made legitimate points, most other nations need health insurance we don't? why? £100+ million on treating foreigners with aids? is this our job? 60% of those treated are foreigners? all part of the exact same argument and discussion.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by empire

farage has a point, about spending more. how can we spend more, when we are borrowing ,and are in huge debt, he was right about the foreign aid, it needs cut, and the money we give to the eu needs cut big time,

he was the ONLY one who knew the debt and stated its doubled to a record £1.5 trillion. they've grown the economy marginally but the debt has increased. this means simply there are massive cuts coming and huge tax rises. scary times

[empire]

till their is a global treaty that every country in the word treats, hiv and aids, with the free drugs, why should we be the only country in the world, that treats it free, 1 drug for treating hiv, costs 25.000 pair person, so how can we save the nhs, when trying to save the world, the nhs was not made for that reason,

[Kizzy]

I'm so conflicted, I have to say I heard some things tonight I'm not happy about tbh.
The leader of the SNP and the greens impressed me the most, and I feel so sorry for Wales it sounds like a right mare living there :/
Ed could've been more brutal, he has all the ammo he should've annihilated cameron

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ed could've been more brutal, he has all the ammo he should've annihilated cameron

He needs balls for that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

He needs balls for that.

Ed balls?.....

[empire]

does ed balls have the balls for that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

There's other papers arista saying differently and no poll has David Cameron as outright winner.

The Torygraph even only highlights the poll that says the most wide margin of who won, all others have David Cameron and Ed Miliband up there in joint lead and one has Miliband the winner.

This selective media presentation is boring and aslo is a turn off for voters due to their bias,and quite frankly the SUN is looking deperate now because the one person who didn't look PM material last night was the current PM David Cameron who seemed lost and wanting to kepep in the background all the time in this debate.
The Sun backed a loser in Cameron in 2010 and failed to influence voters to give him an overall majority and I hope it gets egg on its face again in May.

[arista]

Joey
the Outright Winner was SNP.


No way did your "No more Boom & Bust man"
Ed - do well





More that Vote SNP
can destroy Labour

Utter Bliss

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey
the Outright Winner was SNP.


No way did your "No more Boom & Bust man"
Ed - do well



More that Vote SNP
can destroy Labour

Utter Bliss

I thought Nicola Sturgeon won it too arista but the papers you rpsent as reflecting what happened last night are totally biased ones that do not reflect the result at all.
Most of the polling,even on voting intentions has Labour just ahead still,and also have Miliband and Cameron wherever they rank on the list of 7 leaders jut about neck and neck.
One poll has Miliband,Cameron and Sturgeon on 21% each, I don't see you mentioning that poll, or the one that had Miliaband on 25% and Cameron on 24%

I'd rather look at all the polls overall not just take the one I like as gospel,like the Torygraph did.
As for the Sun, as I said they are just pathetically irrelevant and not worth the paper it is printed on.
Because although Miliband could have done a little better, he did do better than Cameron who was just so terrified of saying anything he shouldn't let slip that he hardly interjected or said much at all.
he stood there like a spare part a fair bit of the time.
Hardly an act of a confident or worthy PM.

[arista]

Why the feck did this 33 year old Stand Up

Why did ITV Staff Not dragg her out?