[Niamh.]

Interesting read, thoughts?

I studied history in college, and spent a lot of my time researching ancient civilizations and comparative religions. As an agnostic, I am fascinated by religion and the idea of faith and belief, across all religions spanning the entirety of human existence. Some of the most fascinating projects that I did in college involved comparing ancient mythology to modern religious beliefs, finding similarities and multiple parallels. For example, anyone who has ever read The Epic of Gilgamesh will know that many biblical stories are plucked straight from the story, including the flood myth and the virgin birth myth.

Historians and religious scholars know that religious texts are made up of a series of myths (that’s not to say they are not true, but just that they are mythical stories). These myths appear across different religions and eras, and the same stories repeat themselves over and over again throughout history. Today, I will present to you five near-identical “Jesus” myths that predate Jesus.

Please note that many of these stories have differing translations and interpretations, some of which tell different stories. The main idea of this list is to remind you that the story of Jesus is rooted in ancient myth.

Horus (3100 B.C.)



Horus was one of the many Egyptian Gods. This is probably one of the best-known and contested deities that is often compared to Jesus. Some translations and Egyptian myths say that he had 12 disciples, and was born of a virgin in a cave. His birth was announced by a star, and was attended by three wise men. He was baptized at age thirty by Anup the Baptizer. Horus performed miracles, including rising at least one person from the dead and walking on water. He was crucified, buried in a tomb, and resurrected, just like Jesus.

Buddha (563 B.C.)



Buddha’s mother, Queen Maha Maya, had a dream that a white elephant with six tusks entered her right side, impregnating her. As was tradition in this time, the mother left her husband’s kingdom to give birth near her father. She did not make it the entire way, though, and gave birth while traveling. Buddha was born in a garden beneath a tree. In addition to this birth story, Buddha, like Jesus, also performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water, fed 500 men from a single basket of cakes, was transfigured on a mount, and taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. There are also some texts that say he was crucified, spent three days in hell, and was resurrected. That is not what killed him, though, as he died in his old age from what is believed to be food poisoning.

Mithra (2000 B.C.)



Mithra was an ancient Zoroastrian deity, and along with Horus has some of the most striking similarities to Jesus. Yet another example of virginal birth, Mithra was born to the virgin Anahita on December 25th. He was swaddled and placed in a manger, where he was tended to by shepherds. Like Jesus and Horus, he had 12 companions (which can be interpreted as disciples). He also performed miracles, identified with both the lion and the lamb, sacrificed his life to save the world, was dead for three days before being resurrected, and was known as the messiah, the savior, and “the Way, the Truth and the Light.” His religion also had a Eucharistic-style “Lord’s supper.”

http://the-daily.buzz/near-identical...esus/?ts_pid=2

[JoshBB]

Interesting

[Josy]

I read about this and watched a few documentaries in the past, it is very interesting the way they are all so similar yet all supposed to be true....

[Josy]

I forgot to add, there is another documentary that attempts to debunk this stuff, they say that even though there are claims of all these similarities, none of it is actually available to read in ancient historical records.

I will try find the link later

[Livia]

The virgin birth is also present in a lot of Native American religious stories. Fascinating stuff...

[Crimson Dynamo]

2000 years ago there were tons of sons of god, all had virgin births and all ened up in reincanation. the Jesus myth was just the one that gained traction and then promoted by the romans

its a bog standard myth

[Northern Monkey]

I have the same interests in religion,Although you are more qualified than me.I especially love ancient Egyptian religions and have visited quite a few sites in Egypt.
Alot of the stories and beliefs of todays religions have their foundations in the ancient religions.Religion has evolved.

[Ramsay]

Should watch the first Zeitgiest movie. Goes into detail about this.

Copy and paste, copy and paste. All of it.

Youtube video

[JoshBB]

Virgin births do actually happen in modern times as well. I remember reading about it before.

[Kizzy]

I believe our modern religions are nothing more than a Chinese whisper from ancient civilisations.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Should watch the first Zeitgiest movie. Goes into detail about this.

Copy and paste, copy and paste. All of it.

Youtube video

Oh thanks Karl, I'll take a look

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I believe our modern religions are nothing more than a Chinese whisper from ancient civilisations.

Yeah, pretty much what I think too

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Interesting read, thoughts?

I studied history in college, and spent a lot of my time researching ancient civilizations and comparative religions. As an agnostic, I am fascinated by religion and the idea of faith and belief, across all religions spanning the entirety of human existence. Some of the most fascinating projects that I did in college involved comparing ancient mythology to modern religious beliefs, finding similarities and multiple parallels. For example, anyone who has ever read The Epic of Gilgamesh will know that many biblical stories are plucked straight from the story, including the flood myth and the virgin birth myth.

Historians and religious scholars know that religious texts are made up of a series of myths (that’s not to say they are not true, but just that they are mythical stories). These myths appear across different religions and eras, and the same stories repeat themselves over and over again throughout history. Today, I will present to you five near-identical “Jesus” myths that predate Jesus.

Please note that many of these stories have differing translations and interpretations, some of which tell different stories. The main idea of this list is to remind you that the story of Jesus is rooted in ancient myth.

Horus (3100 B.C.)



Horus was one of the many Egyptian Gods. This is probably one of the best-known and contested deities that is often compared to Jesus. Some translations and Egyptian myths say that he had 12 disciples, and was born of a virgin in a cave. His birth was announced by a star, and was attended by three wise men. He was baptized at age thirty by Anup the Baptizer. Horus performed miracles, including rising at least one person from the dead and walking on water. He was crucified, buried in a tomb, and resurrected, just like Jesus.

Buddha (563 B.C.)



Buddha’s mother, Queen Maha Maya, had a dream that a white elephant with six tusks entered her right side, impregnating her. As was tradition in this time, the mother left her husband’s kingdom to give birth near her father. She did not make it the entire way, though, and gave birth while traveling. Buddha was born in a garden beneath a tree. In addition to this birth story, Buddha, like Jesus, also performed miracles, healed the sick, walked on water, fed 500 men from a single basket of cakes, was transfigured on a mount, and taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. There are also some texts that say he was crucified, spent three days in hell, and was resurrected. That is not what killed him, though, as he died in his old age from what is believed to be food poisoning.

Mithra (2000 B.C.)



Mithra was an ancient Zoroastrian deity, and along with Horus has some of the most striking similarities to Jesus. Yet another example of virginal birth, Mithra was born to the virgin Anahita on December 25th. He was swaddled and placed in a manger, where he was tended to by shepherds. Like Jesus and Horus, he had 12 companions (which can be interpreted as disciples). He also performed miracles, identified with both the lion and the lamb, sacrificed his life to save the world, was dead for three days before being resurrected, and was known as the messiah, the savior, and “the Way, the Truth and the Light.” His religion also had a Eucharistic-style “Lord’s supper.”

http://the-daily.buzz/near-identical...esus/?ts_pid=2

Niamh, all this is pure baloney - anti-Christian fallacy which is easily blasted out of the water because the deliberate lies it comprises of, aren't even 'clever' lies just ludicrous, easily exposed deceit. Follow this link:

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-cop...is-pagan-gods/

Or if you believe the Zeitgeist baloney, win $1,000 dollars here:

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

And here's a satirical eye-opener from Cracked.com:

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1710-zeitgeist-movie/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Should watch the first Zeitgiest movie. Goes into detail about this.

Copy and paste, copy and paste. All of it.

Youtube video

This is 100% pure baloney - nothing but anti-Christian B.S. from two unscrupulous, very mercenary producers, Acharya S. and Dan Brown, for the bifurcated purpose of attacking The Judeo Christian Bible and Christianity itself, and to make piles of money from gullible people who do not check their sources or invest in cross referencing them.

More later but please do not continue to push this waffle Ramsay because it is as full of crap as the infamous 'Stitchin and The Anunnaki' crock which was similarly espoused on here recently.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I have the same interests in religion,Although you are more qualified than me.I especially love ancient Egyptian religions and have visited quite a few sites in Egypt.
Alot of the stories and beliefs of todays religions have their foundations in the ancient religions.Religion has evolved.

Do not swallow any of this baloney Paul. Follow this link:

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-cop...is-pagan-gods/

Or if you believe the Zeitgeist baloney, win $1,000 dollars here:

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

And here's a satirical eye-opener from Cracked.com:

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1710-zeitgeist-movie/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Josy

I forgot to add, there is another documentary that attempts to debunk this stuff, they say that even though there are claims of all these similarities, none of it is actually available to read in ancient historical records.

I will try find the link later

You are correct Josy. There is a wealth of documents and books and videos written by Academics - not money grubbing deceitful liars such as Dan Brown etc which totally debunk this rubbish. Follow this link:

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-cop...is-pagan-gods/

Or if you believe the Zeitgeist baloney, win $1,000 dollars here:

http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

And here's a satirical eye-opener from Cracked.com:

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1710-zeitgeist-movie/

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is 100% pure baloney - nothing but anti-Christian B.S. from two unscrupulous, very mercenary producers, Acharya S. and Dan Brown, for the bifurcated purpose of attacking The Judeo Christian Bible and Christianity itself, and to make piles of money from gullible people who do not check their sources or invest in cross referencing them.

More later but please do not continue to push this waffle Ramsay because it is as full of crap as the infamous 'Stitchin and The Anunnaki' crock which was similarly espoused on here recently.

I wasn't aware they produced it. Did Peter Joseph not do all the Zeitgeist films himself? It was directed, produced, edited, written and even the music has been credited to Joseph everywhere i've searched. I don't see how there can be any profit money wise from the films are they have all been released on youtube for free by Joseph himself. Can you point out what is wrong in the movie?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

I wasn't aware they produced it. Did Peter Joseph not do all the Zeitgeist films himself? I don't see how there can be any profit money wise from the films are they have all been released on youtube for free by Joseph himself. Can you point out what is wrong in the movie?

Hi Ramsay,

Most of the claims are deliberate deception.

The producers of Zeitgesit are Acharya S. and Dan Brown. Brown is a known anti-Christian who stole the idea (and most of the plot) of the Da Vinci Code from other authors and is only interested in making money. Here he excels himself with the level of deceit and lies he has gone to.

His co-producer - Achyra S. is a self-confessed Satanist and - Well, I'll let you read for yourself what a crank charlatan liar and nutjob she is.

Follow these links and let me know what you think mate. Top one's best and the other is from an atheist!!! :

http://beginningandend.com/jesus-cop...is-pagan-gods/

http://www.sullivan-county.com/bush/travilocity1.htm

And here's a satirical eye-opener from Cracked.com:

http://www.cracked.com/funny-1710-zeitgeist-movie/

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Should watch the first Zeitgiest movie. Goes into detail about this.

Copy and paste, copy and paste. All of it.

Youtube video

All of it is based on astrological events hence why it is all so similar most of religion comes from simpler times when these events were used as explanations for things that weren't yet understood.
The really fascinating thing is that a minority of people still believe the fairy stories and defend them despite most of society having moved on.
There are debunking videos but i haven't seen one yet that even approaches being credible.

Great post Ramsay.

[Ammi]

..good old Jesus doing a bit of promo and leaking some tasters for his upcoming Earth tour back in the day...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

This is 100% pure baloney - nothing but anti-Christian B.S. from two unscrupulous, very mercenary producers, Acharya S. and Dan Brown, for the bifurcated purpose of attacking The Judeo Christian Bible and Christianity itself, and to make piles of money from gullible people who do not check their sources or invest in cross referencing them.

More later but please do not continue to push this waffle Ramsay because it is as full of crap as the infamous 'Stitchin and The Anunnaki' crock which was similarly espoused on here recently.

Actually Kirk, the Zeitgeist documentaries made by Peter Joseph are NOT made for profit at all.

And they concentrate on a hell of a lot more than religion, iirc (it's been a few years since I watched) only part one concentrates on religion but that's just a tiny bit of the message they are trying to get across to people so to say it's for the purpose of attacking Christianity is quite frankly '100% Baloney' in your own words and shows you have no real knowledge of them.

In fact the one message the producers attempt to get out throughout the movies is that everything is geared towards a 'one world order' including manufactured wars, corrupt bankers and so on.

Regardless if you believe everything the producers put out there, for a lot of people this movie will raise a few questions.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

All of it is based on astrological events hence why it is all so similar most of religion comes from simpler times when these events were used as explanations for things that weren't yet understood.
The really fascinating thing is that a minority of people still believe the fairy stories and defend them despite most of society having moved on.
There are debunking videos but i haven't seen one yet that even approaches being credible.

Great post Ramsay.

Whether it is Politics or Religion or whatever Bob - certain of us only see what we WANT to see and just as we will readily accept the most ludicrous of concocted and patently false articles or videos just because they 'fit' our own viewpoints, we reject the most solidly factual rebuttal articles or debunking videos just because they don't.

Those who support Richard Dawkins point to 'Science' and 'Academia' as the 'Twin Pillars' of the irrefutable case for atheism, yet those same people deny the same twin pillars when it comes to anyone rebutting or debunking this 'Zeitgeist' 'movement'?

The article in the link which I provided logically and factually demolishes the Christ/Mithras/ Horus claims in Zetgeist but it is up to all of us whether we choose to concede as much.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Josy

Actually Kirk, the Zeitgeist documentaries made by Peter Joseph are NOT made for profit at all.

And they concentrate on a hell of a lot more than religion, iirc (it's been a few years since I watched) only part one concentrates on religion but that's just a tiny bit of the message they are trying to get across to people so to say it's for the purpose of attacking Christianity is quite frankly '100% Baloney' in your own words and shows you have no real knowledge of them.

In fact the one message the producers attempt to get out throughout the movies is that everything is geared towards a 'one world order' including manufactured wars, corrupt bankers and so on.

Regardless if you believe everything the producers put out there, for a lot of people this movie will raise a few questions.

I watched the movie "Zeitgeist" a few years ago and was simply blown away by it, since then it has prompted me to carry out a lot more research into the "New world Order" and profit from Wars.

The film touches on how all religions are based on the Astromonical events that suuround the seasons together with the Zodiac. But these claims although plausible are only touched on in the Film. The film is more concerned with the banking Cartels and how Power and wealth is distributed in our world and how most major events Wars etc.. are planned and executed for a host of sinister reasons.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Josy

Actually Kirk, the Zeitgeist documentaries made by Peter Joseph are NOT made for profit at all.

And they concentrate on a hell of a lot more than religion, iirc (it's been a few years since I watched) only part one concentrates on religion but that's just a tiny bit of the message they are trying to get across to people so to say it's for the purpose of attacking Christianity is quite frankly '100% Baloney' in your own words and shows you have no real knowledge of them.

In fact the one message the producers attempt to get out throughout the movies is that everything is geared towards a 'one world order' including manufactured wars, corrupt bankers and so on.

Regardless if you believe everything the producers put out there, for a lot of people this movie will raise a few questions.

Peter Joseph directed Zetgeist, Josy, and Dan Brown and Acharya S produced it.

Peter Joseph is not even his real name - something which he refuses to divulge.

I am aware of the series Josy and familiar with their claims and message, and I also know that Religion is but one small element of it, but I was specifically responding to Niamh's and Ramsay's posts which in turn both dealt specifically with the Jesus/Mithras/Horus claims, so I did not concern myself with the main 'New World Order' theme as I did not deem it relevant.

Years ago, I bought certain books which included; 'The Illuminoids: Secret Societies and Political Paranoia' by Neal Wilgus, and 'A New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies' by William Still - among others - and I became familiar with the nucleus of ideas which 'Peter Joseph' has built upon.

I recognise the truth in a lot of these theories and accepted them then and still do now, but I also reject other elements which did not 'pass muster' when cross referenced with various other sources - sources which just did not merely 'refute' but gave irrefutable checkable factual evidence to support their 'debunking'.

I believe in Jesus as The Christ but I do not actively preach or try to convert anyone else because I am not bothered - as long as I KNOW what I know, I do not care what beliefs others may have. Yet, for me to sit back and do or say nothing when my beliefs are being ridiculed or mocked or Christianity is being claimed to be false means that I am legitimising being regarded as a 'misguided fool' for being a Christian or for believing in a 'fictitious character', or 'myth' or worse.

Such claims that Christianity or Jesus is a myth is particularly irritating when the corroboration which is used to justify such claims is nothing more than falsehood and fabrication and deliberate deceit.

Should I sit back and remain silent then?

If my response sometimes comes across as antagonistic or excessively intolerant, then I apologise, but it should be borne in mind that I am human, and sometimes I get annoyed and weary by the - definite - anti-Christian ethos on here. There would be a huge outcry if Islam and the Prophet Muhammad was continually 'bashed' in the same manner as Jesus and Christianity.

I am passive not pro-active as far as my beliefs are concerned and I do not enjoy any type of discussion on here concerning Christianity, because I just cannot win. If I produced Jesus himself it would not alter certain mindsets who would still believe what they want to believe.

Yet I cannot just sit back either and let attacks on my faith go unanswered - especially when the arguments for justifying such attacks are based upon nothing more than fallacy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So Kirk what evidence convinced you that any of the (bog standard at the time) magical things in the bible happened?

and take the bible out of your answer as i am afraid that does not count as evidence