[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

Pull that trigger
Shoot that ******
Join the National Front.

There ain't no black
In the Union Jack
Join the National Front.

you should take down these posters lily

what would the neighbours say?

[lily.]

No doubt they will be taken down for me. (the posts that is)... As for the posters.. they cover up the bullet holes in my walls.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by lily.

It has nothing to do with newspapers. It has to do with the people in the area where I live. I see it every day. I know they are dodging work. I know they aren't disabled. They freely admit it. Yet they get a free car, and a ****load of benefits.

I don't live in a particularly nice area.

There are areas that look like that so fair enough but the tax dodging rich cost you a lot more and the conservatives do nothing but encourage that to help their rich mates (donators) out.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lily.

Conservatives for me, because they are actually trying to stop the benefit scroungers who are currently better off than working people.

and not before time Lily.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bobnot

There are areas that look like that so fair enough but the tax dodging rich cost you a lot more and the conservatives do nothing but encourage that to help their rich mates (donators) out.

Well said and spot on,the Conservatives will never really do much against tax dodging rich,they never have and never will.

They will however waste loads of funding and set out with gusto to find the tiny minority of benefit cheats who do exist,I concede that..

Causing massive distress and making the health worse of those who are claiming all correctly, who then get subjected to really intrusive questioning and undignified testing as to same..

Those who blindly support the Conservatives have no thoughts at all as to what those vulnerable individuals get put through, to in effect save a pittance, whereas as you say tax dodgers and evaders 'rob' the treasury of billions with next to nothing done.
Nor was it done by Labour either to be fair over their time in govt;
Hopefully it will be this time.

It is odd how this govt; never makes any major effort to see that people get all the benefits they should be claiming,that they know some should have since it is said there are unclaimed benefits every year that could be.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bobnot

The BNP and EDL were a bit too scary for anybody to support openly as are Britain First but UKIP do just enough to hide what they really stand for and as crazy as it is to most people the same people that secretly supported them feel relaxed enough to openly support UKIP.

Yeah, I agree. I'd put all 4 groups in the same family. UKIP is just the smarter child.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It just screams well written Neo-Nazism to me.


jesus h christ

this thread is getting better and better

I went through the trouble of defining neo-nazism for you
Whether you like it or not, UKIP have hired and payed many workers who fit directly under the definition:

Neo-Nazism borrows elements from Nazi doctrine, including ultranationalism, racism, ableism, xenophobia, homophobia, antisemitism

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well said and spot on,the Conservatives will never really do much against tax dodging rich,they never have and never will.

They will however waste loads of funding and set out with gusto to find the tiny minority of benefit cheats who do exist.

Causing massive distress and making the health worse of those who are claiming all correctly, who then get subjected to really intrusive questioning and undignified testing as to same..

Those who blindly support the Conservatives have no thoughts at all as to what those vulnerable individuals get put through, to in effect save a pittance, whereas as you say tax dodgers and evaders 'rob' the treasury of billions with next to nothing done.
Nor was it done by Labour either over their time in govt;
Hopefully it will be this time.

It is odd how this govt; never makes any major effort to see that people get all the benefits they should be claiming,that they know some should have since it is said there are unclaimed benefits every year that could be.

It is a fact that there are Benefit fraudsters and Tax Dodgers in this country and BOTH need stamping out, And while I agree with you Joey that the Benefit Cheats are 'small fry' in comparison - both Tory and Labour governments will spend greater REAL effort in clamping down on Benefit Cheats because a lot of the Government, their family, friends and 'Business' associates are tax evaders themselves.

Analysis of just how many 'Public Serving' ex-Politicians (of both parties) are now firmly and very lucratively ensconced on the Board of Directors of the Huge Corporations which they promoted or dealt with whilst in Parliament, will astound you and fill 20 odd pages on here.

Does anyone really believe that these self-servers (of both parties) are going to hunt down the very 'tax evading' Business people which they are 'relying on ' for well paid directorships once their political life is over?

More analysis of which ex-politician awarded just what MASSIVE lucrative Government contracts to companies which they now work for , will fill another 10 pages.

It is ALL a GAME.

A corrupt, centuries old game played by those who serve - not the public (cannon fodder) but those who draw up the rules, create the laws and run this country and every other.

The best we can hope for is that one particular political party ACTUALLY does some good whilst they are 'seeing to themselves'.

You just happen to have faith that Labour is THAT party, Kaz has faith it is the Tories, and I - who have lost faith in BOTH - believe it is Farage.

I respect you Joey and admire your passion and selflessness, and believe me or not, I WAS once like you, but age has replaced my passion with cynicism.

[Crimson Dynamo]

with age and responsibility comes reality and as such idealism diminishes

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

the knitting club strikes again!!!!!!

i am just joking idek what the knitting club is or who's in it

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lol at the Tories and UKIP winning the poll

Yes, 6 votes for UKIP, but just as in the real world there are only 3 of us who choose to stand up and be counted. People are just afraid - because of all the B.S. propaganda - to admit that they IDENTIFY and AGREE with what Farage says but their vote -- like this one -- is in confidence, which is why I feel that UKIP may do a lot better come election day than people think.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

with age and responsibility comes reality and as such idealism diminishes

Very true LT, very true.

[lily.]

That is true kirk. When the Yes/No vote was happening up here last year I told very few people of my intention to vote 'no'. Because I knew the backlash would be tedious.

The same goes with who people are voting. The polls will never be accurate because people do not wish to disclose their real views.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lily.

That is true kirk. When the Yes/No vote was happening up here last year I told very few people of my intention to vote 'no'. Because I knew the backlash would be tedious.

The same goes with who people are voting. The polls will never be accurate because people do not wish to disclose their real views.

Yes that is why I never divulge my political leanings and try to stay neutral on Tibb. That way people cannot pigeon hole or judge me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shaun

the knitting club strikes again!!!!!!

i am just joking idek what the knitting club is or who's in it

is that a covert member application?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Shaun

the knitting club strikes again!!!!!!

i am just joking idek what the knitting club is or who's in it

At least you refrained from putting; 'The Nitwits in the Club'

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by lily.

That is true kirk. When the Yes/No vote was happening up here last year I told very few people of my intention to vote 'no'. Because I knew the backlash would be tedious.

The same goes with who people are voting. The polls will never be accurate because people do not wish to disclose their real views.

My parents never discussed their political views with their friends and as such I never have really either. I actually don't know who they voted for even now. As with these threads people who were amicable and friends before become divided. As with religion I rarely tell people my views or get too involved with discussions because I feel they are totally personal and when it could affect friendships I really don't bother.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My parents never discussed their political views with their friends and as such I never have really either. I actually don't know who they voted for even now. As with these threads people who were amicable and friends before become divided. As with religion I rarely tell people my views or get too involved with discussions because I feel they are totally personal and when it could affect friendships I really don't bother.

As the Great Arista would say Annie - 'You are most wise'.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My parents never discussed their political views with their friends and as such I never have really either. I actually don't know who they voted for even now. As with these threads people who were amicable and friends before become divided. As with religion I rarely tell people my views or get too involved with discussions because I feel they are totally personal and when it could affect friendships I really don't bother.

What I find funny is the that people that give you the most hate for your views, tend to be the people who shout 'we must love everyone for who they are!!!!!'

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It is a fact that there are Benefit fraudsters and Tax Dodgers in this country and BOTH need stamping out, And while I agree with you Joey that the Benefit Cheats are 'small fry' in comparison - both Tory and Labour governments will spend greater REAL effort in clamping down on Benefit Cheats because a lot of the Government, their family, friends and 'Business' associates are tax evaders themselves.

Analysis of just how many 'Public Serving' ex-Politicians (of both parties) are now firmly and very lucratively ensconced on the Board of Directors of the Huge Corporations which they promoted or dealt with whilst in Parliament, will astound you and fill 20 odd pages on here.

Does anyone really believe that these self-servers (of both parties) are going to hunt down the very 'tax evading' Business people which they are 'relying on ' for well paid directorships once their political life is over?

More analysis of which ex-politician awarded just what MASSIVE lucrative Government contracts to companies which they now work for , will fill another 10 pages.

It is ALL a GAME.

A corrupt, centuries old game played by those who serve - not the public (cannon fodder) but those who draw up the rules, create the laws and run this country and every other.

The best we can hope for is that one particular political party ACTUALLY does some good whilst they are 'seeing to themselves'.

You just happen to have faith that Labour is THAT party, Kaz has faith it is the Tories, and I - who have lost faith in BOTH - believe it is Farage.

I respect you Joey and admire your passion and selflessness, and believe me or not, I WAS once like you, but age has replaced my passion with cynicism.

That is a really good post again Kirk, however I have to add and disagree with one small part.
Age has 'nothing' at all to do with anything as to how I think now.
It is practical experience from what I have seen personally as to others distress and things I have dealt with in helping same that has turned my views 100% from the Conservatives.

I don't judge others,and never will, from sitting in an ivory tower, I get out there and see what is going wrong before I make general judgements as to any sections of society.
If I was 18 or 80, the change would have come from all I have seen and witnessed and helped deal with as to this rotten heartless govt:

I don't even believe at all that Labour or the SNP have all the answers needed.
As to the vulnerable however,what they will have as to their policies, will be far more heart and compassion included as to them,which are 2 things that will never ever come from this present govt:

[Northern Monkey]

Well i voted UKIP so feck you all

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Well i voted UKIP so feck you all

I included you in.

[Vicky.]

Never knew this site was so right wing tbh, you would think it was round about even from peoples posts.

[Nick.]

Green party.