[Kizzy]

I'm not sure why you've emphasised Wales as socialist; deregulation, cutbacks to essential services, privatisation and the mindless bureaucracy that masterminded the services added or lacking and the housing issues you oppose are all conservative initiatives.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm not sure why you've emphasised Wales as socialist; deregulation, cutbacks to essential services, privatisation and the mindless bureaucracy that masterminded the services added or lacking and the housing issues you oppose are all conservative initiatives.

Wales has been enslaved to labour for 40/50 years and they've gotten poorer and poorer.....that's not to say its all labours fault , clearly thatcher destroyed the welsh industries. whilst this thread isn't wholly a political party thread its a thread about health and safety....welsh labour have brought in far more of these idiotic rules and regs into peoples everyday lives and also chipped away at civil liberties...moreso than the tories...labour have pretty much failed wales..not only have they strangled the economy and businesses they've done nothing to revitalise the industries either, in wales theyre now considered a joke....being an honorary Welshman in this stunning country, I actually think the welsh as a people are not suited to socialism....yes there is a very deep rooted sense of fair play , but there is alsoa profound sense of individuality here....which frankly welsh labour doesn't cater for..

regardless of all that, id say generally the health and safety stuff weve signed up to has been self defeating. the types of people who sign up for this stuff usually do so to try and appear like good moral people, but they don't bother to calculate the downside of their policies...in short these people are fake

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

wales has been enslaved to labout for 40/50 years and they've gotten poorer and poorer.....that's not to say its all labours fault , clearly thatcher destroyed the welsh industries. this thread isn't wholly a political party thread its a thread about health and safety....welsh labour have pretty much failed wales...being an honorary Welshman in this stunning country, I actually think the welsh as a people are not suited to socialism....yes there is a very deep rooted sense of fair play , but there is alsoa profound sense of individuality here....which frankly welsh labour doesn't cater for..

regardless of all that, id say generally the health and safety stuff weve signed up to has been self defeating. the types of people who sign up for this stuff usually do so to try and appear like good moral people, but they don't bother to calculate the downside of their policies...in short these people are fake

There's a profound sense of individualism everywhere as there is no such thing as community or society anymore that has been a running theme for many years, the fact it's as true in Wales as England is really saddening as I was under the impression they managed to maintain the spirit of togetherness we lack.
As you say the infrastructure around us has been dismantled and sold, the only good health and safety initiaties surround work and workers rights , which if nobody has any work renders them redundant ( bad pun sorry)
Other health and safety issues such as food standards are also worth keeping otherwise we won't become aware that the burger we're munching because we can't afford a chop is some infected nag.
Traffic calming does cause problems yet in residential areas they've cut accidents so there's a plus there. The speed cameras are a way for councils to claw back some of the monies cut by central govt and are therefore in a way an indirect tax, a speed tax.