[billy123]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"keeping it short" didn't work out so well for me . Ffs.

Yep you didnt do so well on that score but it was a great post.
Im taking a backseat on this one.
I just find it really interesting how obviously threatened by him some people are. The scramble by such similarly aligned members of the public to not only state how they dont agree with him but to attack his philosophy's so viscously is hilarious to me.
He talks a lot of sense and in the process exposes a lot of other peoples thought processes too which i like.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Yep you didnt do so well on that score but it was a great post.
Im taking a backseat on this one.
I just find it really interesting how obviously threatened by him some people are. The scramble by such similarly aligned members of the public to not only state how they dont agree with him but to attack his philosophy's so viscously is hilarious to me.
He talks a lot of sense and in the process exposes a lot of other peoples thought processes too which i like.

I am not threatened by him at all Bob, and before I can 'attack his philosophy' he has to lucidly state just what his philosophy is.

At present he jumps like a firecracker through one philosophy after another, through others ideas and theories (some decades old) absorbing titbits and regurgitating them in a chaotic vomit.

For all that, my GREATEST problem with Brand is that I believe he is on a personal crusade - not to put the world's (admittedly numerous) faults right as he claims - but to regain the spotlight, extend his time in it, and deify himself into the bargain.

Just my opinion.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

At present he jumps like a firecracker through one philosophy after another, through others ideas and theories (some decades old) absorbing titbits and regurgitating them in a chaotic vomit.

I actually think this is 100% accurate we just disagree on our conclusions . For me, you see, existence IS "chaotic vomit". That's literally the best way I've ever heard it described and something I've never managed to sum up so succinctly before! So yes. A firecracker, a mad cacophony of random, but always well intentioned, existentialist thought and "chaotic vomit". And it's more honest than any philosophy that claims to stoically have the answers. THAT is nonsense. THAT is true madness. His videos are of someone with a hugely active mind trying desperately to make sense out of a senseless universe and it is for me absolutely brilliant to watch.

I understand that for someone who has more solid beliefs about the nature of existence it makes no sense. It's not a problem. Or it shouldn't be. I don't understand why it would make anyone angry.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually think this is 100% accurate we just disagree on our conclusions . For me, you see, existence IS "chaotic vomit". That's literally the best way I've ever heard it described and something I've never managed to sum up so succinctly before! So yes. A firecracker, a mad cacophony of random, but always well intentioned, existentialist thought and "chaotic vomit". And it's more honest than any philosophy that claims to stoically have the answers. THAT is nonsense. THAT is true madness. His videos are of someone with a hugely active mind trying desperately to make sense out of a senseless universe and it is for me absolutely brilliant to watch.

I understand that for someone who has more solid beliefs about the nature of existence it makes no sense. It's not a problem. Or it shouldn't be. I don't understand why it would make anyone angry.

I agree, I feel the same that his ideas on issues surrounding politics and money are boiled down to the simplest of terms, anyone that makes you question whether the people who 'work for us' are actually working for us and provide examples to the contrary may be described as anti establishment, but that doesn't automatically make that a bad thing...
He hasn't a springboard onto anyones breakfast table as Ms Hopkins has, a radio show or TV chat format ( thankfully shelved) he has a youtube channel. You can choose to seek him out and listen or not, similarly you can choose to click on this thread or not.
I for one am pleased that there is someone who will reduce the big questions to their purest forms as it makes comprehension easier for all, his questioning of the role of consumerism, debt, poor education, scapegoating and media bias is all relevant to social control and are diversionary tactics to confuse and blinker the country against questioning the powers that be.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually think this is 100% accurate we just disagree on our conclusions . For me, you see, existence IS "chaotic vomit". That's literally the best way I've ever heard it described and something I've never managed to sum up so succinctly before! So yes. A firecracker, a mad cacophony of random, but always well intentioned, existentialist thought and "chaotic vomit". And it's more honest than any philosophy that claims to stoically have the answers. THAT is nonsense. THAT is true madness. His videos are of someone with a hugely active mind trying desperately to make sense out of a senseless universe and it is for me absolutely brilliant to watch.

I understand that for someone who has more solid beliefs about the nature of existence it makes no sense. It's not a problem. Or it shouldn't be. I don't understand why it would make anyone angry.

You see, that is the great enigma here T.S. - I don't deny some of the things that Brand, you or Kizzy are saying, and I am actually far more aware than you may think about the long entrenched corruption in EVERY institution of this country from the lowliest councils to the Government (every government) and Banking to Justice. I could write 100 pages of incontrovertable facts going back 60 years laced with personal experience on everything from the Bank Bail Out, to The Great Thatcher Sell Offs of the 80's. Even the reason we are in THE EU and the reason we have stayed in it and the reason why Cameron is raising our Foreign Aid budget is CORRUPTION. Politicians and their cronies have made hundreds of millions from both the EU and Foreign Aid over the years.

And YES - the working classes not only ARE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN the '**** pigs' for these greedy bastards, they are also THE only reason they can gain from their corrupt practices, because without the Tax Paying masses there is no perpetual stream of cash to keep filling the trough at the rate all the many snouts empty it.

Anyway, I digess (catching Brand's Affliction )

So, I agree to just (amicably) disagree, and we are not arguing - outside of the debate definition - but I think that you too summed it up pretty reasonably, that we just draw different conclusions.