[Kizzy]

I wouldn't call them serious, that's your interpretation it's most certainly not mine.
I'm not interested either in charisma as the main focus for my support of a politician. Obfuscation of the facts, perpetuation of fear and low brow name calling won the election for the tories, it's what they know and do well obviously.

I still support his decision to engage with a wider audience. Winning an election by hiding and orchestrating bogus letters of support, planting party activists in question time as 'undecided voters' and having a media curcus working to your advantage is not standing by your policies it's obscuring them.

Again I hope Brand continues to help expose governmental misinformation as well as supporting Labour and the left.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I wouldn't call them serious, that's your interpretation it's most certainly not mine.
I'm not interested either in charisma as the main focus for my support of a politician. Obfuscation of the facts, perpetuation of fear and low brow name calling won the election for the tories, it's what they know and do well obviously.

I still support his decision to engage with a wider audience. Winning an election by hiding and orchestrating bogus letters of support, planting party activists in question time as 'undecided voters' and having a media curcus working to your advantage is not standing by your policies it's obscuring them.

Again I hope Brand continues to help expose governmental misinformation as well as supporting Labour and the left.

Ahhhh... if only the misguided ex-labour voters were as clued-up and serious as you. Because if they were swayed by the Conservative campaign then they really are quite dim. It's a shame you have such a low view of them.

All the excuses in the world (and I'm hearing a few...) don't make up for the fact that Labour lost hideously, and the reason for that is that they were led by the wrong man. So many people saw that. But you're sticking with the loser.

And yes, I expect Brand will continue to do what he's doing all the time it raises his own dubious profile.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ahhhh... if only the misguided ex-labour voters were as clued-up and serious as you. Because if they were swayed by the Conservative campaign then they really are quite dim. It's a shame you have such a low view of them.

All the excuses in the world (and I'm hearing a few...) don't make up for the fact that Labour lost hideously, and the reason for that is that they were led by the wrong man. So many people saw that. But you're sticking with the loser.

And yes, I expect Brand will continue to do what he's doing all the time it raises his own dubious profile.

Yes yes they are dim... exceptionally dim. Why is it a shame I have a low view of them, many on here have a low view of lots of people don't they?

Yes I stick by Eds left wing ethos, he achieved the position of leader of his party, he failed to win the election but overall I wouldn't class him as a loser personally.

I being more positive like to see the good in what Mr Brand does here.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes yes they are dim... exceptionally dim. Why is it a shame I have a low view of them, many on here have a low view of lots of people don't they?

Yes I stick by Eds left wing ethos, he achieved the position of leader of his party, he failed to win the election but overall I wouldn't class him as a loser personally.

I being more positive like to see the good in what Mr Brand does here.

As you seem so keen on George Orwell quotes, here's one for you, I hope it helps:

Happiness can exist only in acceptance.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

As you seem so keen on George Orwell quotes, here's one for you, I hope it helps:

Happiness can exist only in acceptance.

here's one for you.

'The aim of a joke is not to degrade the human being, but to remind him that he is already degraded.'

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

here's one for you.

'The aim of a joke is not to degrade the human being, but to remind him that he is already degraded.'

That's a very good one for you to try to remember. You should have a think about this one too:

So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.