[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I reckon everyone who uses trains to commute should join them in striking for a capping of fares and preferably a re-nationalisation

Most of the people commuting aren't on NEARLY as high a wage as the train drivers. And if you think that the rail service is expensive and unreliable now it's privatised it's not nearly as bad as it was when it was nationalised.

#rosetintedspecs

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Most of the people commuting aren't on NEARLY as high a wage as the train drivers. And if you think that the rail service is expensive and unreliable now it's privatised it's not nearly as bad as it was when it was nationalised.

#rosetintedspecs

I personally cannot say for myself as to that as I wasn't born when they were privatised.

However my Father, a lifelong sceptic of nationalisation now says, it would be better for rail to be re-nationalised.
He said it has been a disaster since it was privatised and would welcome the change back any day of the week.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I personally cannot say for myself as to that as I wasn't born when they were privatised.

However my Father, a lifelong sceptic of nationalisation now says, it would be better for rail to be re-nationalised.
He said it has been a disaster since it was privatised and would welcome the change back any day of the week.

My father tells a different story. Also, he was a paramedic and never went on strike, ever. He crossed picket lines and got called a scab and other choice names because he committed to giving a life-or-death service when he signed up, and I'm extremely proud of him for that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I personally cannot say for myself as to that as I wasn't born when they were privatised.

However my Father, a lifelong sceptic of nationalisation now says, it would be better for rail to be re-nationalised.
He said it has been a disaster since it was privatised and would welcome the change back any day of the week.

Joey, it was an awful service when it was nationalised, however, I still think it is an awful service now, the trains may just run to time a bit more often. Railtrack and the private train companies have taken advantage for years, there should have been much more regulation and scrutiny. There have been failures after failures, and I blame successive governments for it. Will re nationalising it help, I very much doubt it. It needs improved regulation and accountability.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Joey, it was an awful service when it was nationalised, however, I still think it is an awful service now, the trains may just run to time a bit more often. Railtrack and the private train companies have taken advantage for years, there should have been much more regulation and scrutiny. There have been failures after failures, and I blame successive governments for it. Will re nationalising it help, I very much doubt it. It needs improved regulation and accountability.

Agree with all of that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Joey, it was an awful service when it was nationalised, however, I still think it is an awful service now, the trains may just run to time a bit more often. Railtrack and the private train companies have taken advantage for years, there should have been much more regulation and scrutiny. There have been failures after failures, and I blame successive governments for it. Will re nationalising it help, I very much doubt it. It needs improved regulation and accountability.

Yes, I can go with that too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Most of the people commuting aren't on NEARLY as high a wage as the train drivers. And if you think that the rail service is expensive and unreliable now it's privatised it's not nearly as bad as it was when it was nationalised.

#rosetintedspecs

I think you're the one with rose tinted specs Livia, What difference does it make what salary the train drivers are on?
And why should their job be compared to a commuters due to the fact they are requesting a fair wage... It's not relevant to the discussion in any way that you feel a train driver isn't entitled to job security and rights.
It's this mindset that is reversing the advances made in this country in respect of a fair secure wage in employment, the company is making huge profits and the workforce performing well why then should pay not reflect this?
The fares have risen exponentially since privatisation and interserve have gradually replaced contracted workers for those on 0hr or temp contracts to further cut costs.