[arista]

Originally Posted by adamski94

I think its time britian took UKIP serious because there here to stay and there her to win the next election

Yes thanks to them
Ed Balls is no longer a MP



Utter Bliss

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he did
then Your BBC went Crazy with it.

So Flynn has problems
he can leave
or shut the feck up

I thought you were a conservative Arista, why would you care about the inner workings of UKIP?
If they want to implode let's just sit back and watch the show

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought you were a conservative Arista, why would you care about the inner workings of UKIP?
If they want to implode let's just sit back and watch the show

Because at the Election
they Helped us get into Full Power

Fact

[arista]

That Conservative Lady only took over
Ed Balls seat as loads of Labour voted UKIP
taking his total Away


I look at the Bigger Picture

[user104658]

Originally Posted by adamski94

I think its time britian took UKIP serious because there here to stay and there her to win the next election

I doubt this is the case. Really doubt it. However, I am starting to think that they couldn't be much worse than the Tories.

[arista]

At Last Flynn was just Live on SkyNewsHD
no problem with Farage
just his advisers who no one will name


On Daily Politics
same thing

[Crimson Dynamo]

storm in a teacup but good for keeping ukip top of the agenda

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

storm in a teacup but good for keeping ukip top of the agenda

You're starting to sound genuinely deluded LT. Fanatical, one might say

[Suze]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i suspect this chap wanted to be the leader and now he cant


all good post election promo for purple

Just what I was thinking

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

storm in a teacup but good for keeping ukip top of the agenda

True
and making MTVN and Kizzy
think its bigger problem

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Because at the Election
they Helped us get into Full Power

Fact

2 things helped the Conservatives this election and I feel UKIP had little at all to do with it in the end.
UKIP fell to under 13% of the vote,they made headway in a few seats but very few really as to altering the result.

What really helped the Conservatives was the SNP rise in Scotland, that gave them the opportunity to warn of dangers,non existent dangers in my view, of a Labour govt; aided by the SNP, which had good effect in the Midlands and South.

However, the major aid to the Conservatives was the total collapse of the Lib Dems.
They took over 25 of the Lib Dem seats and near helped wipe them out, without those gains,they would not have come anywhere nearer an overall majority than they did in 2010.

Take those gained Lib Dem seats away from the Conservatives and they would have had just less seats than they got in 2010.
Nothing much at all to do with UKIP, who at best gained a lot of votes and a lot of 2nd places but very few seats where they in fact controlled the result at all.

[arista]

Labours Ed balls
only Lost because of UKIP high amount
The the Conservative lady Won

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

2 things helped the Conservatives this election and I feel UKIP had little at all to do with it in the end.
UKIP fell to under 13% of the vote,they made headway in a few seats but very few really as to altering the result.

What really helped the Conservatives was the SNP rise in Scotland, that gave them the opportunity to warn of dangers,non existent dangers in my view, of a Labour govt; aided by the SNP, which had good effect in the Midlands and South.

However, the major aid to the Conservatives was the total collapse of the Lib Dems.
They took over 25 of the Lib Dem seats and near helped wipe them out, without those gains,they would not have come anywhere nearer an overall majority than they did in 2010.

Take those gained Lib Dem seats away from the Conservatives and they would have had just less seats than they got in 2010.
Nothing much at all to do with UKIP, who at best gained a lot of votes and a lot of 2nd places but very few seats where they in fact controlled the result at all.

Spot on

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Labours Ed balls
only Lost because of UKIP high amount
The the Conservative lady Won

One seat you keep going on about, where then where UKIPs other successes. They couldn't hold the 2 they had and their leader, despite being included in leaders debates too, couldn't even pull off a win in the seat he stood in just as no other UKIP candidates could nationwide too.

So UKIP possibly affecting the result in just one seat,gave the Conservatives their overall majority.
I believed you knew a lot about politics with respect arista.

UKIP got a lot more as to votes but achieved really nothing at all and got nowhere near the expectations there were as to them.

[MTVN]

Even in Balls seat I'd be surprised if UKIP took many more votes of Labour than the Conservatives

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

One seat you keep going on about, where then where UKIPs other successes. They couldn't hold the 2 they had and their leader, despite being included in leaders debates too, couldn't even pull off a win in the seat he stood in just as no other UKIP candidates could nationwide too.

So UKIP possibly affecting the result in just one seat,gave the Conservatives their overall majority.
I believed you knew a lot about politics with respect arista.

UKIP got a lot more as to votes but achieved really nothing at all and got nowhere near the expectations there were as to them.

Yes the fell short
only keeping good MP Douglas


But everytime some votes UKIP
it can effect Conservative and Labour

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Even in Balls seat I'd be surprised if UKIP took many more votes of Labour than the Conservatives

They did
16,000 votes


Local Labour voters hated him

[arista]

Joey Its A Fact UKIP helped David to be PM

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ories-election

[bots]

Ed Balls lost because for one reason or another, the people in his constituency wanted him out. Its possible that people were more comfortable voting UKIP than conservative, but if UKIP hadn't been there, the conservatives would have got the votes instead. When the people have had enough, that's it. Look at Scotland, a 20 year old student with no experience whatsoever took out a cabinet minister. That wasn't because she was the better candidate, its because people wanted him out and the SNP in.

[arista]

[William Cash, the Ukip candidate in Warwickshire North,
was in no doubt: “The reason the Tories have won the key battleground
of the Midlands is that Ukip came to their rescue.
We rode into the flanks of the white working class and captured them.
I had Tory workers coming up and hugging me.”]



Joey look at the Bigger Picture

[arista]

[user104658]

I know I'll probably be flamed for saying so but more and more there's serious hints of "cultishness" where UKIP are concerned. There seems to be some sort of complete delusion surrounding their importance or the effect they had on the election result, and what likely importance they're going to have going forward. They even have their very own messiah who is championed as being able to do no wrong, even when he goes back on his promises. Excuses are abundant.

Most observers can surely see that UKIP hit their peak during 2014? They're on the way back down now and are highly unlikely to suddenly rebound and be more relevant than ever. Especially with the leadership fiasco. They had almost convinced some people that they were a genuine and cohesive political force on the rise but this has just outed them as the same old rabble... All they ever had going for them was a skilled public speaker. It's not enough to build a government on. Not by a long way.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I know I'll probably be flamed for saying so but more and more there's serious hints of "cultishness" where UKIP are concerned. There seems to be some sort of complete delusion surrounding their importance or the effect they had on the election result, and what likely importance they're going to have going forward. They even have their very own messiah who is championed as being able to do no wrong, even when he goes back on his promises. Excuses are abundant.

Most observers can surely see that UKIP hit their peak during 2014? They're on the way back down now and are highly unlikely to suddenly rebound and be more relevant than ever. Especially with the leadership fiasco. They had almost convinced some people that they were a genuine and cohesive political force on the rise but this has just outed them as the same old rabble... All they ever had going for them was a skilled public speaker. It's not enough to build a government on. Not by a long way.

with an EU ref on the way and the African immigration problem?

they are not going away, they have just started

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

with an EU ref on the way and the African immigration problem?

they are not going away, they have just started

They will be the only anti-EU voice up against the full force of all of the major parties, and whilst in another recent thread some would have had us believe that the mass media doesn't hold sway over these matters... It's bull****. The entirity of media funding will be behind a "no" vote. On top of that, Farage is UKIP's only weapon when it comes to making a case for abandoning the EU, and whether or not you want to admit it, recent events will have had a massive impact on his credibility. People were listening to him six months ago when he was still riding high off the back of the European elections. Fewer people will be listening now that he's yo-yo'd in and out of resignation and has become involved in intra-UKIP leadership squabbles.

I'm sure they will still have support. I'm sure they will be shouting as loudly as ever. But they are no longer on the way up.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

True
and making MTVN and Kizzy
think its bigger problem

It is a bigger problem for Farage, his party has been hijacked by tory Carswell.