[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

This is the one thing that I believe would immensely benefit Britain.
If any of you have ever watched 'Bad Lad's Army', you will know what I mean. They took 20 odd tearaways and put them through 3 months of basic training. Very few actually quit. Quite a few went on to join the regular army, but the vast majority benifitted in lots of ways and almost all were better men after than they were before.
Young men, who for whatever reason have lost their way, or just taken the wrong path, can benefit from discipline and pushing themselves further than they ever thought possible. It's doable and I would much rather see our young doing national service than just being on the scrap heap.

What would works for certain people wouldn't work for others. A silly TV show isn't representative of real life. National Service would not make things better, it's just another outdated concept that has no place in today's Britain. It's like when people say they should bring back caning in schools, that wouldn't solve anything it would just end in teachers getting the **** kicked out of them because not many students would stand there and take it nor should they.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What would works for certain people wouldn't work for others. A silly TV show isn't representative of real life. National Service would not make things, it's just another outdated concept that has no place in today's Britain. It's like when people say they should bring back caning in schools, that wouldn't solve anything it would just end in teachers getting the **** kicked out of them because not many students would stand there and take it nor should they.

I now agree, if it was wanted by the young then fair enough but I agree no way should it, nor do I believe could it now be enforced on people.

I wouldn't support it being brought back in any way myself.

The overwhelming opinions against it on this thread make the strongest arguments for sure.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What would works for certain people wouldn't work for others. A silly TV show isn't representative of real life. National Service would not make things, it's just another outdated concept that has no place in today's Britain. It's like when people say they should bring back caning in schools, that wouldn't solve anything it would just end in teachers getting the **** kicked out of them because not many students would stand there and take it nor should they.

Well I for one remember the days when we did have discipline in schools and national service and society seemed the better for it.
Nowadays people are allowed to get away with almost anything, because they don't know the first thing about respect or self discipline.

[Ammi]

..do you not think though, Jenny...that 'back in the day' in schools etc ..it wasn't about respect, it was more about fear and fear stifles people ..and I just think that there are many things now/historical crimes and abuses etc that show that there were many problems and issues back in the day as well, and not really that much self discipline but more fear ..but now in schools, children from a very early age can be encouraged to express themselves in who they are...and doing that isn't just letting them do whatever with no discipline because that is also there but I think in a much more effective way which doesn't involve hitting/caning them which was done back in the day..and yeah that may have made them seem 'better behaved' but fear will do that for you, not respect...if they respect at school then they don't want to disappoint by breaking rules which then creates self discipline...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..do you not think though, Jenny...that 'back in the day' in schools etc ..it wasn't about respect, it was more about fear and fear stifles people ..and I just think that there are many things now/historical crimes and abuses etc that show that there were many problems and issues back in the day as well, and not really that much self discipline but more fear ..but now in schools, children from a very early age can be encouraged to express themselves in who they are...and doing that isn't just letting them do whatever with no discipline because that is also there but I think in a much more effective way which doesn't involve hitting/caning them which was done back in the day..and yeah that may have made them seem 'better behaved' but fear will do that for you, not respect...if they respect at school then they don't want to disappoint by breaking rules which then creates self discipline...

Excellent points.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Well I for one remember the days when we did have discipline in schools and national service and society seemed the better for it.
Nowadays people are allowed to get away with almost anything, because they don't know the first thing about respect or self discipline.

Yes JJ
if only Dezzy could see the bigger picture