[arista]

Joey Today
Douglas and Nigel
at Parliament

You are not up to speed with Negative Poster MTVN
with respect

[arista]

Fact

[arista]

Fact

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Joey Today
Douglas and Nigel
at Parliament

You are not up to speed with Negative Poster MTVN
with respect

MTVN knows his stuff,with respect.

Well they cannot be together in parliament as Farage didn't win the seat he was sure of doing so.
For the photo opportunities they will always appear smiling.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

MTVN knows his stuff,with respect.

Well they cannot be together in parliament as Farage didn't win the seat he was sure of doing so.
For the photo opportunities they will always appear smiling.

Wrong he went to co Sign a form with Douglas

Farage on the 2nd Photo is at Number 10
[MP Douglas Carswell took a group selfie with
UKIP deputy chairman Suzanne Evans and
the party's leader
Nigel Farage outside Number 10 ]




Joey
MTVN is not a Fair poster on UKIP
Fecking Fact

[arista]

[A cross-party petition calling for vote reform was handed in to Downing Street]




Fact

[arista]

With No Daily Politics
it may be hard for some


But with SkyNewsHD, BBCNewsHD , ITV1News HD
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[arista]

Yes Nigel
Douglas is a Top MP



One for a LT

[Crimson Dynamo]

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Wrong he went to co Sign a form with Douglas

Farage on the 2nd Photo is at Number 10
[MP Douglas Carswell took a group selfie with
UKIP deputy chairman Suzanne Evans and
the party's leader
Nigel Farage outside Number 10 ]




Joey
MTVN is not a Fair poster on UKIP
Fecking Fact

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

Bang On Right LT

[empire]

the pm will be having nightmares tonight when he saw nigel farage standing near number ten,

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

Thank you very much Joey, I am appalled that arista would consider my views to be anything but fair and balanced

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

quite right Arista

MTVN is on the wind up as his party evaporated before his very eyes and labour

well, it has become a joke party

Ukip are sorting house as they have a lot of hard work to do regarding the euro vote.

Still 8x more seats than your mob

I am not really that much of a Lib Dem mind

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Still 8x more seats than your mob

I am not really that much of a Lib Dem mind

Bit off topic but who out of Tim Farron and Norman Lamb do you thing has the best chance of restoring the Lib Dems to 3rd party in votes again over UKIP,MTVN.
I'd go for Tim Farron myself.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Bit off topic but who out of Tim Farron and Norman Lamb do you thing has the best chance of restoring the Lib Dems to 3rd party in votes again over UKIP,MTVN.
I'd go for Tim Farron myself.

Hmm well I think Farron definitely will win; he's the party darling who has put in the hard yards to rise through the ranks and has a lot of support amongst the grassroots. He very much represents a new start and a break with the Clegg era so probably does have the best hope of rejuvenating the party. I do actually like Lamb as well and might even prefer him to Farron but I just don't think Lamb is enough of a character to muster widespread support and I don't think he's as capable as breathing new life into the Lib Dems. I think Lamb would be the continuity candidate and that's probably not what they need.

It's a very difficult role for either of them. It will probably take ten years at an absolute minimum to recoup their losses from this election, probably even longer. It might not happen at all; if Labour and the Tories both move to occupy the centre ground then the Lib Dems need to do a lot of thinking about where their place is in modern politics.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Outside no.10,that's alright then.

It isn't for me to comment on another member but I think MTVN reads UKIP's future very well indeed.

Of course they will be around for the referendum on the EU but either way,after that,they will have little relevance at all.
Since, I also believe this govt; will achieve better results as to immigration too in the next 5 years,with Labour also in line on that too.

UKIP not disappearing but probably never hitting towards 15% in a general election again.
If the referendum is a no to staying in result, UKIP then have little purpose after that,any other policies can easily be presented more forcefully by the other parties.

If the result is a yes to staying in, especially a narrow yes,then there will be no appetite from the 2 main parties to even think of going down the referendum road again for at least decades, if indeed ever.

the referendum will be enormous....and farage will be the only leader fighting the other pro European zealots. the result of the referendum will determine our future and ukips....I don't see ukip doing much in 20 years but with farage they may be a force for the next 5 to 10 years..farage has done an enormously great service for this country in europe

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

the referendum will be enormous....and farage will be the only leader fighting the other pro European zealots. the result of the referendum will determine our future and ukips....I don't see ukip doing much in 20 years but with farage they may be a force for the next 5 to 10 years..farage has done an enormously great service for this country in europe

I admire his commitment to his cause,even though I strongly oppose all he says as to the EU.
That is one thing I admire, he has stuck to his guns and he will likely be the only leader of a party advocating leaving the EU, no matter what deal David Cameron gets or even doesn't get.

The CBI now is calling for members to be more vocal in their support for being in the EU, that in turn with a Conservative govt; (desperate in the main as to them not wanting to be the govt; that takes us out of the EU really),will swing the media to portray that David Cameron has won some incredible concessions and have them swing behind the yes campaign too likely.

That will be UKIP and Nigel Farage's real test.

I still believe myself, those who wish to leave the EU will come wind,rain, hail or snow go out any time of the year to achieve that aim.
Those who would prefer to stay in, or have no real position either way, are less likely to make the effort to vote.
So if it was reasonably close.I could see the UK sleepwalking out of the EU.

Which is why, nearer the time, I can see a good number of Conservative MPs,reluctant to support a referendum bill if it looked like it was too close to call or it seemed a vote to leave would likely be the result.
As you say, UKIP and Nigel Farage will be the only and lone voices advocating leaving the EU.

After the referendum,that is when UKIP in my view will fade in popularity,eve moreso if its a resounding yes to staying in.
I have always however admired Farage for not budging an inch from his long held view as to the EU,while never at all agreeing with him on it in any way.

[MTVN]

Some of Nigel Farage's fellow European Parliament members have been making references to his shortlived resignation as UKIP leader.

Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the ALDE group that includes British Lib Dems, said: “Nigel Farage has sent a letter to Nigel Farage saying I resign, and Nigel Farage has responded to Nigel Farage saying ‘I refuse’."

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I admire his commitment to his cause,even though I strongly oppose all he says as to the EU.
That is one thing I admire, he has stuck to his guns and he will likely be the only leader of a party advocating leaving the EU, no matter what deal David Cameron gets or even doesn't get.

The CBI now is calling for members to be more vocal in their support for being in the EU, that in turn with a Conservative govt; (desperate in the main as to them not wanting to be the govt; that takes us out of the EU really),will swing the media to portray that David Cameron has won some incredible concessions and have them swing behind the yes campaign too likely.

That will be UKIP and Nigel Farage's real test.

I still believe myself, those who wish to leave the EU will come wind,rain, hail or snow go out any time of the year to achieve that aim.
Those who would prefer to stay in, or have no real position either way, are less likely to make the effort to vote.
So if it was reasonably close.I could see the UK sleepwalking out of the EU.

Which is why, nearer the time, I can see a good number of Conservative MPs,reluctant to support a referendum bill if it looked like it was too close to call or it seemed a vote to leave would likely be the result.
As you say, UKIP and Nigel Farage will be the only and lone voices advocating leaving the EU.

After the referendum,that is when UKIP in my view will fade in popularity,eve moreso if its a resounding yes to staying in.
I have always however admired Farage for not budging an inch from his long held view as to the EU,while never at all agreeing with him on it in any way.

to say you disagree with ALL that he says regaridng the EU is simply a lie. You havent even listened to ALL that he said for starters nor have you even read the constitution so you dont even know what youre agreeing or disagreeing with....embarassing

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

to say you disagree with ALL that he says regaridng the EU is simply a lie. You havent even listened to ALL that he said for starters nor have you even read the constitution so you dont even know what youre agreeing or disagreeing with....embarassing

What on earth is your problem? you've just jumped on another poster who made a perfectly civilised and reasonable post to you for no reason at all

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What on earth is your problem? you've just jumped on another poster who made a perfectly civilised and reasonable post to you for no reason at all

Its a Open thread
Not just a Gang of Anti UKIP posters


I back David Cameron
I back Winners

Feel The Force

[arista]

Its Called Democracy Jack

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

to say you disagree with ALL that he says regaridng the EU is simply a lie. You havent even listened to ALL that he said for starters nor have you even read the constitution so you dont even know what youre agreeing or disagreeing with....embarassing

How unpleasant you are.
I am well sick of listening to him blaming all the UKs ills on the EU,while himself pocketing nicely good wages for being part of the EU as an MEP.

I doubt very many people interested in politics or Europe are not near fully versed by now as to his views and thoughts as to the EU.

Also, kindly cut out the insults and stop accusing me or anyone else of lying too.
You really are way overstepping an acceptable mark now.

I am fully versed as to the EU, I studied politics at Uni and because I passionately believe that the UK should be in the EU, made sure I knew what I was talking about.
Nigel Farage would have the UK believe all will be sorted if we leave the EU, all the UK's ills gone for good.
That is the only likely real big lie as to the EU, and from him.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

What on earth is your problem? you've just jumped on another poster who made a perfectly civilised and reasonable post to you for no reason at all

I am used to it Jack_.
It is getting really tedious now however. Shocking behaviour.