[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you in all absolute seriousness would, in a hypothetical situation, trade the life of a human child (even on that you don't personally know) for your own dog, then you are either a liar or a sociopath.

Where did she say anything of the sort?

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Where did she say anything of the sort?

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

I didn't even notice that, where the hell did that question even come from lmao.

I'll happily answer it though, i don't care if i look like a "sociopath". My dogs are my family.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I didn't even notice that, where the hell did that question even come from lmao.

I'll happily answer it though, i don't care if i look like a "sociopath". My dogs are my family.

It happens quite frequently in animal debates, people like to pluck non-existent quotes out of mid-air and suggest that animal lovers have no regard for human life at all, despite nothing of the sort being suggested.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It happens quite frequently in animal debates, people like to pluck non-existent quotes out of mid-air and suggest that animal lovers have no regard for human life at all, despite nothing of the sort being suggested.

Yeah, it's ridiculous though because that type of question can't really be answered.
I don't know what i'd do in that situation so tbh it's all just guessing.

[bots]

Sadly, killing pets, particularly dogs is a pretty common occurrence both here and abroad. The usual method is poisoning, something that happened to one of my dogs once, and she didn't bark at all. I think there are just some very cruel and nasty people around.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I didn't even notice that, where the hell did that question even come from lmao.

I'll happily answer it though, i don't care if i look like a "sociopath". My dogs are my family.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Where did she say anything of the sort?

She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words.

A dog's life is not "just as important" as a human life and no one would realistically trade a dog's life for a human's. Someone might - if they were being massively selfish - trade an unknown human life for their own beloved pet but no one, literally no one, in their right mind would see an unknown dog and an unknown human about to die and choose to save the dog. Because a dog's life is less important. People don't like admitting that because they are sentimental. People are more upset by stories about dogs in the press than stories about people for the same reason.

And likewise, apparently, people would like to paint someone who killed a dog in a moment of rage out to be evil and unthinkable beasts because. That's why it's relevant. People's ideas about what the appropiate response in this case is are wildly distorted.

No one gives a **** when an exterminator sets traps to kill rats that have "invaded their home", because in their bubble "rats are a pest" and what do you do with pests? Kill 'em! Not a second thought. Rats are just as intelligent as dogs. Are their lives worth less than a dog's? Why is it OK to kill a rat that's annoying you but not a dog that's annoying you? And then why not a human that's annoying you? Becaaauuuse....

Some lives are worth more than others. There's no other explanation.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A dog's life is not "just as important" as a human life and no one would realistically trade a dog's life for a human's. Someone might - if they were being massively selfish - trade an unknown human life for their own beloved pet but no one, literally no one, in their right mind would see an unknown dog and an unknown human about to die and choose to save the dog. Because a dog's life is less important. People don't like admitting that because they are sentimental. People are more upset by stories about dogs in the press than stories about people for the same reason.

And likewise, apparently, people would like to paint someone who killed a dog in a moment of rage out to be evil and unthinkable beasts because. That's why it's relevant. People's ideas about what the appropiate response in this case is are wildly distorted.

No one gives a **** when an exterminator sets traps to kill rats that have "invaded their home", because in their bubble "rats are a pest" and what do you do with pests? Kill 'em! Not a second thought. Rats are just as intelligent as dogs. Are their lives worth less than a dog's? Why is it OK to kill a rat that's annoying you but not a dog that's annoying you? And then why not a human that's annoying you? Becaaauuuse....

Some lives are worth more than others. There's no other explanation.

Funny you bring up rats because I have 2 (about to be 3) of them. I hate the fact people kill them because they are "pests", it is not ok.

Yep some lives are worth more than others. My innocent, loving dogs and rats lives are worth a lot more than some humans lives. A good example would be this here man that killed Meg the dog, his life is worth no where near as much as my dogs and rats lives are worth.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A dog's life is not "just as important" as a human life and no one would realistically trade a dog's life for a human's. Someone might - if they were being massively selfish - trade an unknown human life for their own beloved pet but no one, literally no one, in their right mind would see an unknown dog and an unknown human about to die and choose to save the dog. Because a dog's life is less important. People don't like admitting that because they are sentimental. People are more upset by stories about dogs in the press than stories about people for the same reason.

And likewise, apparently, people would like to paint someone who killed a dog in a moment of rage out to be evil and unthinkable beasts because. That's why it's relevant. People's ideas about what the appropiate response in this case is are wildly distorted.

Couldn't disagree with every word more. That's all that needs to be said, we're never going to agree here.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No one gives a **** when an exterminator sets traps to kill rats that have "invaded their home", because in their bubble "rats are a pest" and what do you do with pests? Kill 'em! Not a second thought. Rats are just as intelligent as dogs. Are their lives worth less than a dog's? Why is it OK to kill a rat that's annoying you but not a dog that's annoying you? And then why not a human that's annoying you? Becaaauuuse....

How bizarre, you seem to be wildly making assumptions with zero basis and running with them now. No, I'm not okay with killing rats.

Here's a tip, get the facts before running your mouth and never think you have the authority to speak for me, because you absolutely don't.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Some lives are worth more than others. There's no other explanation.

So, a human who isn't a good person is worth more than a valued, cherished pet automatically because they're a human? How happy I am that I don't share this mindset.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Couldn't disagree with every word more. That's all that needs to be said, we're never going to agree here.

How bizarre, you seem to be wildly making assumptions with zero basis and running with them now. No, I'm not okay with killing rats.

Here's a tip, get the facts before running your mouth and never think you have the authority to speak for me, because you absolutely don't.

So, a human who isn't a good person is worth more than a valued, cherished pet automatically because they're a human? How happy I am that I don't share this mindset.

I couldn't agree more if I tried lmao

TS, arista, etc. I think we're going to just have to agree to disagree.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

How bizarre, you seem to be wildly making assumptions with zero basis and running with them now. No, I'm not okay with killing rats.

I'm talking about people in general, a sort of public mindset. Not you personally.

Here's a tip, get the facts before running your mouth and never think you have the authority to speak for me, because you absolutely don't.

Sir yes sir! So commanding. And the passive aggressive smilie face for a peppering of sass . Loving it.

So, a human who isn't a good person is worth more than a valued, cherished pet automatically because they're a human? How happy I am that I don't share this mindset.

No some people are essentially worthless and I probably wouldn't risk slipping a disc trying to pull them out of a fire, let alone sacrifice any other life for them, but that's not really relevant "in general". If it's a "random dog" and a "random person" (you know nothing about either of them), you're going to save the person. Because in general, people's lives are worth more than dog's lives. I don't know what's so hard to accept about that.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm talking about people in general, a sort of public mindset. Not you personally.

Oh, okay. I believe you.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sir yes sir! So commanding. And the passive aggressive smilie face for a peppering of sass . Loving it.

Absolutely! I happen to feel passionate about my right to speak for myself, probably because I have at least a modicum of self respect.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No some people are essentially worthless and I probably wouldn't risk slipping a disc trying to pull them out of a fire, let alone sacrifice any other life for them, but that's not really relevant "in general". If it's a "random dog" and a "random person" (you know nothing about either of them), you're going to save the person. Because in general, people's lives are worth more than dog's lives. I don't know what's so hard to accept about that.

A random dog? My question specifically asked if you automatically put a human life over a "valued, cherished pet" simply because they're human.

But, let's play with your scenario. My honest response is I don't know what I would do (and there are hypothetical situations for all of us where our only answer would be "I don't know"), because I value animals too much to simply abandon one to death simply because it's an animal, and at the same time I wouldn't be able to leave a human life to die either.

I very much doubt I'll ever be in this situation, which is fortunate because, unlike yourself, I don't have such a trivial attitude towards animal life. If it's less important to you, fair enough, but it's not to me.

I think that's all we have to say on the issue. I care very much about animals, you don't as much. I think any continuation of this will consist entirely of running around in circles.