[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it's sad that this thread got so off topic..not with the hypotheticals/analogies etc that may or may not have been relevant to this particular story...but more personal judgements of members...rather than think it a positive that some members who don't usually 'venture' into Serious Debates so much would feel passionate enough about something to want to, that something engages them in this section..?...they're being judged for not engaging in other things and other topics ...I mean really, that's such a negative view...also TS it's a 'dumbing down'..it's deciding and judging for them 'what is more important'..it's not encouraging young people to express themselves at all...and I don't think it's so much about not caring about things but just one possible indication why there is less venturing out of chat and games because so often members are judged for their opinions, rather than a countering of views when that opinion is not agreed with and an acceptance that we all don't have the same perspectives...

Its very Normal
you have all ages talking.

Some youngers
emotional etc.



If only that household
stopped the dog from barking.

A true dog lover
Never leaves a Dog Barking
Fact

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Its very Normal
you have all ages talking.

Some youngers
emotional etc.



If only that household
stopped the dog from barking.

I true dog lover
Never leaves a Dog Barking
Fact

..that's not a fact Arista...some dogs do bark a lot/as puppies and yeah the thing is discipline or 'puppy classes' to discourage that..but at the time that she was got as a puppy and their daughter was alive but severely disabled..as much as that should maybe have happened..?..that probably wasn't their priority or just something that they may have thought she would grow out of...but that doesn't mean that they are not dog lovers...and then when these things are not instilled with dogs from the off, it becomes much harder to change behaviour patterns, much the same as in humans...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that's not a fact Arista...some dogs do bark a lot/as puppies and yeah the thing is discipline or 'puppy classes' to discourage that..but at the time that she was got as a puppy and their daughter was alive but severely disabled..as much as that should maybe have happened..?..that probably wasn't their priority or just something that they may have thought she would grow out of...but that doesn't mean that they are not dog lovers...and then when these things are not instilled with dogs from the off, it becomes much harder to change behaviour patterns, much the same as in humans...

Its is

I am talking about Dogs

Not Puppies


This case was neglect of that Dog
it was Doomed when they bought it, sadly

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Its is

I am talking about Dogs

Not Puppies


This case was neglect of that Dog
it was Doomed when they bought it, sadly

..the discipline with puppies and their behaviour/barking etc is very relevant to the dogs they are when they are older and in much the same way as humans..so maybe it wasn't there/we don't know..?..but that doesn't automatically translate to neglect either because it's very difficult to instil these things when behaviour patterns are set and as dogs are older... but in any case, I can see many things/priorities that may have meant it didn't happen and caused a very struggling family...and if we're to have understanding of the frustrations of the man who killed the dog/of the noise levels etc then it's having understanding of that as well..I mean if you're going to build up 'a picture'/scenario..then it has to be a complete picture ...anyway the whole noise level thing and his frustration are quite conflicted anyway with some reports saying he'd made complaints in the past and others saying that that him killing the dog was the first indication of there being any problem so we don't even know the truth of that...whatever though, I do not believe that the drowning of a dog, the time it takes to do that and see it's struggling for breathe and then the calculation of trying to cover it up is a split second of 'losing it'....