[Tom4784]

I can't believe people have sympathy for this man, it wasn't a case of him just snapping one day, it was obviously premeditated. Would ANYONE have thought to remove the micro chip if they had just snapped? No, they wouldn't.

Instead of reporting the neighbours and letting the authorities decide whether they were mistreating the dog he went ahead and killed it callously. People have gone to prison for less and it's shocking and wrong that he avoided jail time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't believe people have sympathy for this man, it wasn't a case of him just snapping one day, it was obviously premeditated. Would ANYONE have thought to remove the micro chip if they had just snapped? No, they wouldn't.

How was it "obviously" premeditated? And again (again, and again) he removed the chip AFTER killing the dog not BEFORE so it has absolutely no relevance to whether or not he had snapped when he actually killed it. None at all. Disposing of the dog and covering up the act was planned, and carried out in a way that some might consider mercenary. That's a completely different discussion.

I'd say if it was "premeditated" he would have had a solid plan for disposing of the dog afterwards, rather than failing to do so twice and ultimately being found with it on his property. That strongly suggests that he hadn't thought it through at all.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How was it "obviously" premeditated? And again (again, and again) he removed the chip AFTER killing the dog not BEFORE so it has absolutely no relevance to whether or not he had snapped when he actually killed it. None at all. Disposing of the dog and covering up the act was planned, and carried out in a way that some might consider mercenary. That's a completely different discussion.

I'd say if it was "premeditated" he would have had a solid plan for disposing of the dog afterwards, rather than failing to do so twice and ultimately being found with it on his property. That strongly suggests that he hadn't thought it through at all.

It all seemed pretty premeditated to me, surely if he was in such a blind rage he wouldn't have thought to drown the dog? If he had snapped surely he would have just strangled it or kill it in a more direct (and quick) fashion? Filling up a bucket to drown a dog when you've 'snapped' doesn't sound right.

Just because he was incompetent when it came to the cover up doesn't mean it wasn't premeditated. Everything about this case is cut and dry, there is no defending this man.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It all seemed pretty premeditated to me, surely if he was in such a blind rage he wouldn't have thought to drown the dog? If he had snapped surely he would have just strangled it or kill it in a more direct (and quick) fashion? Filling up a bucket to drown a dog when you've 'snapped' doesn't sound right.

I don't actually know the answer to this because I haven't read much more than the initial articles but, is it stated anywhere that he filled a bucket? It seems quite plausible to me that there was a bucket already full in the garden.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It all seemed pretty premeditated to me, surely if he was in such a blind rage he wouldn't have thought to drown the dog? If he had snapped surely he would have just strangled it or kill it in a more direct (and quick) fashion? Filling up a bucket to drown a dog when you've 'snapped' doesn't sound right.

Just because he was incompetent when it came to the cover up doesn't mean it wasn't premeditated. Everything about this case is cut and dry, there is no defending this man.

Absolutely 1,000% correct.

True loss of reason, temper - call it what T.S will - would mean -- as you say -- that he battered/strangled/killed the poor defencless dog EXACTLY where it was --- over the garden fence.

No WAY would he have gone to all those coldly calculated lengths to covertly abduct it and carry it to his shed etc. sordid etc.

I admit that I have lost my temper in packed nightclubs when I was constantly hassled by dickheads wanting to fight me, but I did not coolly entice them outside in some dark alley where they were no CCTV cameras or witnesses - I let go there and then in an admitted rage.

Not 'pre-meditated' my arse.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't believe people have sympathy for this man, it wasn't a case of him just snapping one day, it was obviously premeditated. Would ANYONE have thought to remove the micro chip if they had just snapped? No, they wouldn't.

Instead of reporting the neighbours and letting the authorities decide whether they were mistreating the dog he went ahead and killed it callously. People have gone to prison for less and it's shocking and wrong that he avoided jail time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't believe people have sympathy for this man, it wasn't a case of him just snapping one day, it was obviously premeditated. Would ANYONE have thought to remove the micro chip if they had just snapped? No, they wouldn't.

Instead of reporting the neighbours and letting the authorities decide whether they were mistreating the dog he went ahead and killed it callously. People have gone to prison for less and it's shocking and wrong that he avoided jail time.

But Dezzy - Every Case is not the same.
so its not that shocking

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't believe people have sympathy for this man, it wasn't a case of him just snapping one day, it was obviously premeditated. Would ANYONE have thought to remove the micro chip if they had just snapped? No, they wouldn't.

Instead of reporting the neighbours and letting the authorities decide whether they were mistreating the dog he went ahead and killed it callously. People have gone to prison for less and it's shocking and wrong that he avoided jail time.

Absolutely spot on.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I can't believe people have sympathy for this man, it wasn't a case of him just snapping one day, it was obviously premeditated. Would ANYONE have thought to remove the micro chip if they had just snapped? No, they wouldn't.

Instead of reporting the neighbours and letting the authorities decide whether they were mistreating the dog he went ahead and killed it callously. People have gone to prison for less and it's shocking and wrong that he avoided jail time.

Perfect post Dezzy, you are spot on.