[Josy]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Name me one series on Channel 4 when anyone with 2 nominations was up just because they received 2 nominations. That is a recent development which they first used to get Jackie Travers up and out during bb14.

I never said it happened on Channel 4, I can't remember off the top of my head if it did or not

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

I never said it happened on Channel 4, I can't remember off the top of my head if it did or not

It never did. It began with Jackie Travers. Until then it was the 2 or more people with the most noms. They saw an opportunity to get rid of Jackie and they went with it, and people let them off and they've been getting worse with this sort of stuff every year since.

[Absorption]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Name me one series on Channel 4 when anyone with 2 nominations was up just because they received 2 nominations. That is a recent development which they first used to get Jackie Travers up and out during bb14.

To be fair, I'd probably have cancelled the series, put all the HMs except Jackie in a hotel somewhere and then brought it back without telling her just to get rid of her!

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Absorption

To be fair, I'd probably have cancelled the series, put all the HMs except Jackie in a hotel somewhere and then brought it back without telling her just to get rid of her!

I couldn't stand her either. But they were allowed to get away with it that year because everybody could see that she was the worst housemate in there. But once you let them get away with this stuff once, they do it again and again.

That's why I hate Marlon's eviction last year. After him Danielle was evicted without a public vote, and now someone was this year on the first night as well.

[Jamesy]

It's true they can change things as they please. Although in this case on this series on this day it is unnecessary to have that many housemates up for eviction.

Although as bitontheslide says, when this twist is revealed maybe it will be clear why so many people are up this week.

[Josy]

I still don't get the massive deal that's being made, they haven't said anyone is facing eviction yet.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

I still don't get the massive deal that's being made, they haven't said anyone is facing eviction yet.

But that's another issue people have with this show... They used to inform the viewers of the twists/tasks before they had even announced anyhting to the housemates. Now though they wait to see how things play out and make it up afterwards. This is a terrible way to go about things and it alienates and confuses the fans of the show.

It feels like the viewers are being played for fools as much as the housemates these days.

[bots]

I think some people are missing the point that the series has always been provided by Endimol through the C4 and C5 era's. It has been their choice to evolve the show through the years. So saying something was better in the Channel 4 days is incorrect, as it was the same production company responsible.

Everything has to change, thats life, and if Endimol choose to change the format, they own it, it is their right to do so. People outgrow programs, it happens all the time. I freely admit I'm nearly done with it, but I don't have a divine right to tell anyone how to produce their show. I'm sure it is not Endimols intention to kill something that has been a good earner for them for years - the decisions are theirs to make and they will continue to do so as long as networks are prepared to pay for it.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think some people are missing the point that the series has always been provided by Endimol through the C4 and C5 era's. It has been their choice to evolve the show through the years. So saying something was better in the Channel 4 days is incorrect, as it was the same production company responsible.

What are you on about? Who cares if it is the same production company? It was still better when it was on Channel 4. And who the executive producer is changes throughout the years. Whoever those people have been the last few years have been useless.

Everything has to change, thats life, and if Endimol choose to change the format, they own it, it is their right to do so.

No one is disputing that. But the changes being made are ridiculous and offputting and damn near fraudulent.

People outgrow programs, it happens all the time. I freely admit I'm nearly done with it, but I don't have a divine right to tell anyone how to produce their show. I'm sure it is not Endimols intention to kill something that has been a good earner for them for years - the decisions are theirs to make and they will continue to do so as long as networks are prepared to pay for it.

And we are free to be critical of it. That is how people improve... When others are critical of them. Especially a programme that is supposed to be interactive and involves the viewers in things like voting.

[mrflibble]

I'm getting sick of the nominations in Big Brother. Last year I started watching the older series of BB (working backwards), and oh god there is nothing better than just plain old private nominations. I hate face to face, I hate them seeing the nominations, I hate stupid nomination twists. Jesus christ it sucks balls. I'll still keep watching BB coz it's a nice timewaster, but it's seriously making me want to stop and I only started watching the show last year!

[GLENN BILL BB7]

So they can make more money to put towards making secret rooms and paying for the housemates families trips to the house so they can nominate for them LOL

But seriously they're trying to keep in the bigger characters, Which makes no sense considering all 6 of them are big characters.

[the_answers]

Agree it appears bollocks at first glance.
But is there maybe some justice ?

If Joel votes Nick to be up (and Nick agrees it's fair)
Then what's the problem with Nick being up ?

You might say Christian is unlucky.
But after saying Jade is "isolating" herself they're suddenly all in the bathtub together.

If most HMs are changing their stories or just giving BS reasons, is it really so wrong if BB change the story too ?

I don't blame BB on this occasion tbh.
The HM's have really taken the urine over their nom reasons.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Agree it appears bollocks at first glance.
But is there maybe some justice ?

If Joel votes Nick to be up (and Nick agrees it's fair)
Then what's the problem with Nick being up ?

You might say Christian is unlucky.
But after saying Jade is "isolating" herself they're suddenly all in the bathtub together.

If most HMs are changing their stories or just giving BS reasons, is it really so wrong if BB change the story too ?

I don't blame BB on this occasion tbh.
The HM's have really taken the urine over their nom reasons.

This thread is about the producers changing the rules of who is up. Not about the reasons given. Last week the people with the most votes were up, this week whoever has 2 nominations or more is now up. It is the viewers who are left in the dark in all this mess. Once again the producers find a way of trampling on the format, the housemates and the viewers.

Even if there is a twist, it should have been announced what that twist was before. And why couldn't it be done with the top 4 people who received the most nominations?

[Amy Jade]

They put more up so theres more choice to vote for who you hate to piss off out the house so basically the money

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

They put more up so theres more choice to vote for who you hate to piss off out the house so basically the money

Disagree. They do it because they want a certain result. If they wanted money they'd just put them all up every week. As I said... In BB14 it was going to be Callum vs. Dexter vs. Gina and all 3 of them were bringing a certain amount of drama. Jackie Travers was on 2 nominations and she was bringing nothing to the show so they changed the rule to anyone with 2 nominations is up specifically to get her out that week.

Them wanting a certain result and feeling they can do what they want to get it was always going to lead to what we saw last year which was Marlon and Danielle getting evicted without any public vote. And it will keep leading to the prods taking the piss. The week following Danielle being evicted, Ashleigh is voted power housemate and given immunity, and then she gets put up for eviction anyway.

The fact people just say "It's their show they can do what they want" in response is typical of viewers today. They could never get away with something so blatant back when it was watched by a lot of people who actually gave a ****.

[Dash Darington]

Some people are trying extremely hard to simply insist that people accept the nomination rigging.

[the_answers]

If you mean me Dash, not at all.
I couldn't care less, just think it's much ado about nothing.

Guess it's probably like Amy Jade says.

Just don't get the problem with these rules.
I thought the rules were the rules could change ?

Course people may not like the format (and I don't either tbh).

But on THIS occasion can't see Nick or Christian going anyway and guess it won't make any difference.
We'll see what happens though.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Disagree. They do it because they want a certain result. If they wanted money they'd just put them all up every week.

Don't think they would.
It would kill the whole dynamic of the house in terms of pacts and alliances.

HMs can't talk about noms.
But they can influence others to be on their side, in their group or to think badly of others so others put them up.

I agree I don't like evicting HMs without a public vote though.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

Some people are trying extremely hard to simply insist that people accept the nomination rigging.

Nominations aren't rigged at all though, they are played out the exact way they happen with the housemates nominating who they want to....

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Josy

As well as the 'Big brother can change the rules at any time' there is also...

'The minimum number of people available for eviction each week may be changed without notice'

I always find it hilarious how irate people get over things like this when it's been the same for years.

If this next twist was preplanned then there may need to be a certain amount up for it to work.

But it's so unfair how one week you are safe with 2 nome the next you are up

[bots]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

But it's so unfair how one week you are safe with 2 nome the next you are up

The producers have also made it very clear that there will be a twist, and that the details of it will be announced today. I don't understand why people need to question and moan about the numbers when they are being told it will be explained today

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Josy

Nominations aren't rigged at all though, they are played out the exact way they happen with the housemates nominating who they want to....

What? They wait to see how the housemates nominate and then they make the rules up afterwards. How is that not rigging the show?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The producers have also made it very clear that there will be a twist, and that the details of it will be announced today. I don't understand why people need to question and moan about the numbers when they are being told it will be explained today

(1) Because this is not the first time they've done it
(2) The twists should be explained in detail before the nominations even begin
(3) There will probably still be the question why the top 4 only and not Cristian and Nick aren't up

[bots]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

(1) Because this is not the first time they've done it
(2) The twists should be explained in detail before the nominations even begin
(3) There will probably still be the question why the top 4 only and not Cristian and Nick aren't up

I'm wondering if you were ever part of the Edimol production team or perhaps applied for a job with them. You seem very bitter for a "fan"

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I'm wondering if you were ever part of the Edimol production team or perhaps applied for a job with them. You seem very bitter for a "fan"

Why would a fan of the show not be annoyed at what they're doing to a show they used to enjoy?