[MTVN]

Not for Carmichael's party

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not for Carmichael's party

Aw what a shame, some lib dems really sold out in the worst way didn't they?... absolute power corrupts sadly.

[Toy Soldier]

Smells like someone's been told to fall on their sword, to me.

[Kizzy]

Yep, he'll have got a nice little payoff, bit late to have any effect now though it aided it souring the publics perception of Ed. I doubt anything else will happen other than he get's his knuckles rapped though :/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep, he'll have got a nice little payoff, bit late to have any effect now though it aided it souring the publics perception of Ed. I doubt anything else will happen other than he get's his knuckles rapped though :/

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

[LeatherTrumpet]

and english people wonder why the scots are sick of westminster and its sleaze?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

I wouldn't say ALL on her own but I think there's some truth in that. The initial scare-reports of the SNP playing "kingmaker" came from the press and almost certainly originated with the Tory press machine, but the SNP allowed their egos to be inflated and played right into it, failing to consider that there could still be one majority or the other. They allowed themselves to get a little too big for their boots. They should have played the whole thing down. If they had there would have been more chance of it actually happening, ironically.

However, I suspect a slim Tory majority was on the cards either way, there wa a lot more to the propaganda-of-fear than that and it was all already quite firmly established. It was the "don't risk the recovering economy" fantasy that secured the win in the end.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I wouldn't say ALL on her own but I think there's some truth in that. The initial scare-reports of the SNP playing "kingmaker" came from the press and almost certainly originated with the Tory press machine, but the SNP allowed their egos to be inflated and played right into it, failing to consider that there could still be one majority or the other. They allowed themselves to get a little too big for their boots. They should have played the whole thing down. If they had there would have been more chance of it actually happening, ironically.

However, I suspect a slim Tory majority was on the cards either way, there wa a lot more to the propaganda-of-fear than that and it was all already quite firmly established. It was the "don't risk the recovering economy" fantasy that secured the win in the end.

Yes I would agree with all of that

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

You know Cherie, you have made great points there,I do like the SNP but have chosen Labour as my party now,certainly for the foreseeable future.

However,looking back over this election with its twists and turns and the media circus of who will do a deal with whom.
I could now believe Nicola Sturgeon has maybe got what she wanted in the end.

With a Conservative govt. with a small majority,she can at any point create divisions that will only probably enhance her own position.
I now am disappointed with myself for not realising she should have been saying obviously we would talk to the party with the most seats first,then move on from there to others.

That would have removed a lot of the sting from what the Conservatives were saying, had they thought in any way, she could even just be possibly persuaded to,if not support them as a minority,abstain as to their voting strength.

The early part of the campaign was going good for labour,I helped canvass in 10 seats, 2 held by Lib Dems, 2 Labour marginals and 6 Conservative held seats.
Of those 9 were won by Labour.
I really believed,the result was going to be different,I got it badly wrong as to what I thought would probably happen however.
Also to be fair, although the pollsters are getting a bashing in effect they were actually right.

All polls have a margin error of up to 3% plus or minus either way.
Polls of 34% each for the Conservatives and Labour,could be 31% for one of them and 37% for the other, taking into account the margins of possible error.
Ironically, that was just about spot on as to the result,36.9% for the Conservatives and 30.5% for Labour.

A small shift of votes in that scenario makes all the difference and Nicola Sturgeon playing a different card could have,as you said, brought about a very different result.
She was so anti Conservative all through on the surface but I wonder now,although this memo is now proven wrong,has she in fact got what she really wanted all along.

This election caught all on the hop really,so many red herrings thrown in all through the campaign.
That is something that really needs to be looked out for and more to the point well planned for,in 2020.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nicola did a great job of that all on her own, if she kept her trap shut about labour needing the SNP to gain access to No. 10, who knows what would have happened, the English electorate did not want her power sharing and squeezing Ed's proverbials and gaining advantages for Scotland that England can only dream of.

Well it didn't help her making those comments either no in hindsight, we can only guess at her motives yet we know exactly why this MP leaked information.

[LeatherTrumpet]

and the fear monger machine will be getting ramped up again possibly next year...


"leave the EU and it will be catastrophic for business yada yada yada"

[Kizzy]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...tion-snp-video

[kirklancaster]

I admit to being confused by this - Did she say it or not?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I admit to being confused by this - Did she say it or not?

No, it was an invention apparently and the Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael knew about it, could have stopped it but didn't.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, it was an invention apparently and the Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael knew about it, could have stopped it but didn't.

Thanks Joey. This is unbelievable. Carmichael is a disgrace.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, it was an invention apparently and the Lib Dem Alistair Carmichael knew about it, could have stopped it but didn't.

Yes, essentially it wasn't him that fabricated it but he's admitting that the failure to nip it in the bud before it started to snowball was down to him. I'm not really convinced. His adamant stance on turning down his pay-off suggests quite strongly, to me, that he has "other funds squirrelled away" that mean he doesn't need it. Where those funds might have come from would be pure speculation, of course... *ahem*.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, essentially it wasn't him that fabricated it but he's admitting that the failure to nip it in the bud before it started to snowball was down to him. I'm not really convinced. His adamant stance on turning down his pay-off suggests quite strongly, to me, that he has "other funds squirrelled away" that mean he doesn't need it. Where those funds might have come from would be pure speculation, of course... *ahem*.

Exactly.
Also too,from the cocky front he had when this memo became public during the campaign, he looked quite the worried man on the news tonight.

[Kizzy]

Oh he'll have been well rewarded for that well orchestrated sabotage.

[MTVN]

Well done to Mr Carmichael for being the only Lib Dem to keep his seat in Scotland

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well done to Mr Carmichael for being the only Lib Dem to keep his seat in Scotland

Hmmmmm......

Will he now step down or wait for the dust to settle?

[Kizzy]

Hosie, the SNP’s deputy leader at Westminster, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Saturday that Carmichael, who had at first denied involvement in the leak, ought to resign.

He said: “This is potentially career-ending precisely because he went into an election suggesting one thing and then we find out – lo and behold, just after the election – it wasn’t true.

“Given the scale of this – a dirty tricks campaign that involved the French ambassador and the Scottish First Minister – all of which is completely false, bogus, made up, really he ought to consider very seriously whether he can be even be trusted by his constituents to remain an MP.”

The whole election was one big dirty tricks campaign :/

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ction-memo-snp

[Kizzy]

They all lie.... deal with it.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...oday-memo-leak