[bots]

There is manipulation, but it wasn't done to keep jade in, it was done to try and reverse declining viewer ship figures. As much as I like Jade, production probably have 2 or 3 replacements for her lined up already, if they really needed it. They would be just as happy to throw Jade under a bus if they thought it would improve ratings.

[Jack_]

They need to rig it for her, Marc and Simon if this they want this series to stand any chance of doing well. No point trying to make it happen to then decimate it again

They're usually pretty good when it comes to rigging (see: Speidi, Perez), but after repeating the worst twist in BBUK under the same rules as in 2010 meaning we lost three great housemates, I'm not sure I trust these incompetent twats to do anything good

[Marsh.]

Tbh, in 2010 that was hardly a twist. It was a pre-final clearout they would normally have because there were too many people left for the end.

This year is far worse after only two weeks and rigging the nominations and replacing the 4 evictees.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is manipulation, but it wasn't done to keep jade in, it was done to try and reverse declining viewer ship figures. As much as I like Jade, production probably have 2 or 3 replacements for her lined up already, if they really needed it. They would be just as happy to throw Jade under a bus if they thought it would improve ratings.

It clearly was done to benefit Jade, hence one of the newbies being someone she knows.

[LukeB]

They need to rig it for no one and let everything be normal. No wonder the ratings are going down.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

They need to rig it for no one and let everything be normal. No wonder the ratings are going down.

Why are you repeating your point multiple times?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Daniel_

Why are you repeating your point multiple times?

it was a reply to jack

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbh, in 2010 that was hardly a twist. It was a pre-final clearout they would normally have because there were too many people left for the end.

This year is far worse after only two weeks and rigging the nominations and replacing the 4 evictees.

Indeed, but they could have easily had six finalists instead of five, had one double on the Friday and a surprise eviction on the Monday before the final instead. I'd say it was a twist cause the quad eviction was meant to be 'omg!!! they're kicking four out!!!' but it was a deliberate ploy by PEJ to ensure Josie won and a last **** you to the fans who had criticised the show in its last few years

[Macie Lightfoot]

I don't really think CBB11 and CBB15 are shining examples of ways to properly rig a series for the better lmao

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

They need to rig it for no one and let everything be normal. No wonder the ratings are going down.

Unless they're gonna ditch the public vote, then rigging it for no one is really not an option. It's ironic that it's actually the public who are the detriment to the success of a series

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I don't really think CBB11 and CBB15 are shining examples of ways to properly rig a series for the better lmao

CBB15 is arguably the best celebrity series of all time (close to CBB13) and one of the most successful, praised and talked about on C5

You may have a point with CBB11 but certainly not CBB15

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Indeed, but they could have easily had six finalists instead of five, had one double on the Friday and a surprise eviction on the Monday before the final instead. I'd say it was a twist cause the quad eviction was meant to be 'omg!!! they're kicking four out!!!' but it was a deliberate ploy by PEJ to ensure Josie won and a last **** you to the fans who had criticised the show in its last few years

Yes, but as I say, we were in the final week, so the house being whittled down to a small amount is fairly normal, outside of who was actually evicted.

This time we were 2 weeks in and had almost half the house replaced with newbies. A more drastic change IMO.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It clearly was done to benefit Jade, hence one of the newbies being someone she knows.

i don't get that connection tbh, I'm sure BB is not watched solely because of Jade.

The amusing thing that no-one has touched on yet, is that we have no idea if they took all the newbie eviction noms or just 2. If they took all their noms then they could then manipulate the result by picking the newbie noms that best suit them. Its not a paid for poll, so has no regulation.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

CBB15 is arguably the best celebrity series of all time (close to CBB13) and one of the most successful, praised and talked about on C5

You may have a point with CBB11 but certainly not CBB15

The reason I don't trust Channel 5 to rig things is that they're afraid to let new storylines develop. They see something hot going on in the first week and drag it wayyyyy out past its expiration date. Speidi vs. The House could and should have easily been a week-long storyline, but then it gets dragged out for a full series and nothing happens. Same with Hopkins vs. Perez (which ****ing sucks when you hate both sides involved.) It's not bad to let some big characters go and let new things develop, but Channel 5 is afraid of letting people like Perez go for whatever reason. Even though Kav provided more original content than him tbh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't get that connection tbh, I'm sure BB is not watched solely because of Jade.

You don't get the connection that everything is suddenly revolving around Jade that, under a normal week, would have been evicted on Friday?

Ok.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You don't get the connection that everything is suddenly revolving around Jade that, under a normal week, would have been evicted on Friday?

Ok.

Well, it seems like he has worked his way round most of the house mates, so its not the jade and marc show

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

The reason I don't trust Channel 5 to rig things is that they're afraid to let new storylines develop. They see something hot going on in the first week and drag it wayyyyy out past its expiration date. Speidi vs. The House could and should have easily been a week-long storyline, but then it gets dragged out for a full series and nothing happens. Same with Hopkins vs. Perez (which ****ing sucks when you hate both sides involved.) It's not bad to let some big characters go and let new things develop, but Channel 5 is afraid of letting people like Perez go for whatever reason. Even though Kav provided more original content than him tbh

Yes, even with the channel 4 series when they'd use twists to keep big characters like Charley in. They wouldn't do it eventually and they'd concede and let her go. They wouldn't keep it up to the end.

I've enjoyed a lot of C5 CBBs and I've never understood why I always disagree when anyone calls one of them "The Best CBB EVER!!!" but you've just clocked onto why for me, it's the repetitive nature of them. Drives me mad. The same dynamic dragged from launch through to the final.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Well, it seems like he has worked his way round most of the house mates, so its not the jade and marc show

No, it was just a coincidence that someone Jade knew and hated was selected to be a housemate.
Just as "switching the noms" wasn't done to keep Jade in the house longer.

None of this is doing her any good.

[armand.kay]

as drama filled as the cbb's are I can never get myself to really get invested I've only ever watched 1 all the way through.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, it was just a coincidence that someone Jade knew and hated was selected to be a housemate.
Just as "switching the noms" wasn't done to keep Jade in the house longer.

None of this is doing her any good.

As someone pointed out, it did Cristian, Joel the most good as they, under the previous weeks noms, wouldn't have been up for eviction, and therefore saved

I don't deny manipulation, never have, but I don't honestly believe its specifically for jade

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

as drama filled as the cbb's are I can never get myself to really get invested I've only ever watched 1 all the way through.

I love CBB, because it's vote to save.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

As someone pointed out, it did Cristian, Joel the most good as they, under the previous weeks noms, wouldn't have been up for eviction, and therefore saved

I don't deny manipulation, never have, but I don't honestly believe its specifically for jade

I didn't mean Jade is the ONLY one to benefit. But she is the character on the producers minds when they decided to do what they did this week. Yes, it also did the other nominated housemates good as they were saved too. But were they really preoccupied with making sure Cristian stayed? No, not really.

Save her, wipe out half of the rest of the house and bring in another enemy for her to share screen time with.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't mean Jade is the ONLY one to benefit. But she is the character on the producers minds when they decided to do what they did this week.

Save her, wipe out half of the rest of the house and bring in another enemy for her to share screen time with.

ok, well i concede she was considered one of the favoured housemates and therefore saved, but BB isn't the jade show

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ok, well i concede she was considered one of the favoured housemates and therefore saved, but BB isn't the jade show

Give it a couple more highlights shows. I sense a Charley Uchea 2.0 until her eventual eviction.

[rk3388]

They don't need to rig the show, she is the people's princess