[JoshBB]

A definition of dehumanization taken from Wikipedia:

Dehumanization or dehumanization describes the denial of "humanness" to other people. It is theorized to take on two forms: animalistic dehumanization, which is employed on a largely intergroup basis, and mechanistic dehumanization, which is employed on a largely interpersonal basis.[1] Dehumanization can occur discursively (e.g., idiomatic language that likens certain human beings to non-human animals, verbal abuse, erasing one's voice from discourse), symbolically (e.g., imagery), or physically (e.g., chattel slavery, physical abuse, refusing eye contact). Dehumanization often ignores the target's individuality (i.e., the creative and interesting aspects of their personality) and prevents one from showing compassion towards stigmatized groups

Personally, I would say they have used it extensively. In most areas of the anti-immigration debate, and specifically where UKIP is involved, we never hear of the lives of immigrants.. simply that immigrants are one collective group of people. We don't know their stories in any way whatsoever and I think UKIP exploits that in such a way that people have become oblivious to humanity. One forum member even recently suggested we use gas chambers for immigrants. This dehumanization tactic has lost people their empathy.

[Kizzy]

I'd say so yes.

[Samuel.]

It goes far beyond UKIP. It's common practice.

[Jack_]

Yes, and it's also a tactic used by the media to dehumanise the working class, and more specifically those who are welfare dependent.

People on benefits, immigrants coming over here taking our jobs. It's all the same. Divide and rule, divide and rule.

[empire]

britain is a small island, where not the size of russia, we don't have the resources, even to help are selfs, ukip are not anti immigration, they just want to control the numbers that are not needed, a number of countries have this type of control, and are not attacked for it, there is nothing wrong with putting are people first, british waiting lists for treatment, is high, and someone from poland gets first treatment, and this person has never paid anything to are country, I think it is unfair that someone from another country does not pay a penny to us, where british people have payed their way and told that they can't get treated, britain is a small country, we can't even save 100 million people never mind a billion, if we give everything to immigrants, then we have nothing left for are selfs, look at the facts where everything I have said, and balance it,

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by empire

britain is a small island, where not the size of russia, we don't have the resources, even to help are selfs, ukip are not anti immigration, they just want to control the numbers that are not needed, a number of countries have this type of control, and are not attacked for it, there is nothing wrong with putting are people first, british waiting lists for treatment, is high, and someone from poland gets first treatment, and this person has never paid anything to are country, I think it is unfair that someone from another country does not pay a penny to us, where british people have payed their way and told that they can't get treated, britain is a small country, we can't even save 100 million people never mind a billion, if we give everything to immigrants, then we have nothing left for are selfs, look at the facts where everything I have said, and balance it,

You are wasting your time Empire. Save it friend.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by empire

britain is a small island, where not the size of russia, we don't have the resources, even to help are selfs, ukip are not anti immigration, they just want to control the numbers that are not needed, a number of countries have this type of control, and are not attacked for it, there is nothing wrong with putting are people first, british waiting lists for treatment, is high, and someone from poland gets first treatment, and this person has never paid anything to are country, I think it is unfair that someone from another country does not pay a penny to us, where british people have payed their way and told that they can't get treated, britain is a small country, we can't even save 100 million people never mind a billion, if we give everything to immigrants, then we have nothing left for are selfs, look at the facts where everything I have said, and balance it,

Do you mean our serfs or ourselves?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by empire

britain is a small island, where not the size of russia, we don't have the resources, even to help are selfs, ukip are not anti immigration, they just want to control the numbers that are not needed, a number of countries have this type of control, and are not attacked for it, there is nothing wrong with putting are people first, british waiting lists for treatment, is high, and someone from poland gets first treatment, and this person has never paid anything to are country, I think it is unfair that someone from another country does not pay a penny to us, where british people have payed their way and told that they can't get treated, britain is a small country, we can't even save 100 million people never mind a billion, if we give everything to immigrants, then we have nothing left for are selfs, look at the facts where everything I have said, and balance it,

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are wasting your time Empire. Save it friend.

That wasn't the question of the thread. Regardless, there are no 'facts', simply perceptions of facts.

The topic of the thread was, "Do you think UKIP dehumanizes immigrants?".. well, do you?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, and it's also a tactic used by the media to dehumanise the working class, and more specifically those who are welfare dependent.

People on benefits, immigrants coming over here taking our jobs. It's all the same. Divide and rule, divide and rule.

Absolutely Jack_,I agree with all that.
To me that is totally obscene.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, and it's also a tactic used by the media to dehumanise the working class, and more specifically those who are welfare dependent.

People on benefits, immigrants coming over here taking our jobs. It's all the same. Divide and rule, divide and rule.

That is just about the biggest load of hackneyed, cliched claptrap I have read on here and not worthy of you Jack.I mean - SERIOUSLY - apart from the odd moron, have you ever actually heard anyone make such comments?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

That wasn't the question of the thread. Regardless, there are no 'facts', simply perceptions of facts.

The topic of the thread was, "Do you think UKIP dehumanizes immigrants?".. well, do you?

Are you referring to me by quoting me?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

That is just about the biggest load of hackneyed, cliched claptrap I have read on here and not worthy of you Jack.I mean - SERIOUSLY - apart from the odd moron, have you ever actually heard anyone make such comments?

[Crimson Dynamo]

yes and 9/11 was a set up

they never went to the moon

etc

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

That is just about the biggest load of hackneyed, cliched claptrap I have read on here and not worthy of you Jack.I mean - SERIOUSLY - apart from the odd moron, have you ever actually heard anyone make such comments?

On so many occassions. Anyone on welfare is called a scrounger, and anyone coming here to work is demonised and then people say "they are stealing our jobs".

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and 9/11 was a set up

they never went to the moon

etc

Dehumanising is not anything to do with conspiracy theories

[Crimson Dynamo]

immigrants


define it man


who?

illegals, a man who came here in 1948, a Romanian scrounger who is a pickpocket, a doctor from New Zealand, a Nigerian youth with no skills, a french woman who is a nurse

who?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

immigrants


define it man


who?

illegals, a man who came here in 1948, a Romanian scrounger who is a pickpocket, a doctor from New Zealand, a Nigerian youth with no skills, a french woman who is a nurse

who?

Criminal records and qualifications is not telling their story. How many children do they have? why do they want to come here? Is something bad happening in their country/

[bots]

No, i don't think they are dehumanising at all. They are not suggesting that immigrants are animals or anything like that. Indeed they have said that immigrants that are going to be of benefit to the country are welcome. Their main gripe is that the UK can no longer decide its own future hence their wish to leave the EU

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I was actually referring to ordinary people, but in any event there is a wealth of real difference in what Jack is saying and what UKIP are claiming in their 2014 pamphlet.

Here's Alan Murad's view:

"Ukip's latest posters for their European election campaign brewed a storm of condemnation in social media and the press over the last couple of days.

One poster said: "26 million people in Europe are looking for work. And whose job are they after?" Labour MP Mike Grapes waded in calling the posters 'racist'while Nigel Farage defended them as a "a hard-hitting reflection on reality".

Labour's Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Committee, said UKIP had "lowered the tone of the European debate" and its stance was "hypocritical" because it had criticised Home Office vans carrying posters urging illegal immigrants to "Go home".

To Farage's delight, the outraged commentators attempted to shut down debate they were not prepared to have and one which they would inevitably lose, but instead inflamed discussion on why it is imperative to Get Britain Out of the EU.

The posters reflect a reality that is commonly brushed under the carpet or simply denied by the Europhile elite: the disadvantaged and the low-waged are the biggest losers from cheap labour pumped out from Europe's broken economies.

Freedom of movement, particularly from poorer countries in the EU leads to greater supply of job-seekers, therefore greater competition over jobs and consequently wage-suppression.

As such, the posters are a sober reflection on the reality faced by low-wage workers in particular, because it is a natural consequence of among other things: 'freedom of movement'.

However, it appears critics of Euroscepticism have no intention of advancing a proper counter-argument on how this impacts on wages, job availability and the selection of the best candidates for the jobs available. It is a great relief this is finally coming out in the open, as a serious debate is vital.

One of the posters highlights in no uncertain terms: "Who really runs this country? 75% of our law is made in Brussels".

Despite Nick Clegg's recent efforts to deny this, there is no getting away from the fact that the true cost to our national sovereignty is beyond calculation. EU legislation penetrates into every sphere of public concern: immigration, energy policy, food prices and much more than we are ever led to believe.

In every case EU policy hurts the most disadvantaged and the government can do nothing it. No national parliament can repeal EU legislation no matter how much the electorates demand. Legislation which gets drafted by unelected EU officials makes a mockery of democracy.

Parliaments in the EU are effectively impotent and this too is a message which needs to be drummed into the public's consciousness.

With 77% of the Great British Public wanting immigration reduced and even 60% of first and second-generation migrants saying the levels of immigration are too high, the critics are not on the side of public opinion.

They don't represent the hurt feelings of the Europeans who they supposedly champion, only their own fragile sensitivity and desire to remain in the EU.

These posters are some of the rarest examples of solidarity with workers who are getting priced out of the labour market by EU policy. The mainstream Left has nothing honest to say about it because they are hell-bent on staying in the EU.

At least there is someone out there in politics who wants to stand up to Brussels and say "enough is enough".

The quicker we Get Britain Out of the EU the better for us all."

Seeing as how certain FM's seem to have a fixation on UKIP I have resolved to now make a post on the great Labour Party which contains a few dozen truths.

[Kizzy]

He asks in relation to UKIP in particular though and if their influence has been negative, that pic would suggest it has.

[GiRTh]

Why are certain FM's even bothering getting annoyed when someone trashes UKIP on here? They didnt do all that well at the elections and the leadership issue has been a bit of a joke since. Are they really the force some Fm's think? I'm not so sure.

The people have spoke and given UKIP the finger. I dont think we need to worry about them anymore?

On topic - I agree with Jack its a technique done to many disadvantaged in order to justify the hate projected at them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by empire

britain is a small island, where not the size of russia, we don't have the resources, even to help are selfs, ukip are not anti immigration, they just want to control the numbers that are not needed, a number of countries have this type of control, and are not attacked for it, there is nothing wrong with putting are people first, british waiting lists for treatment, is high, and someone from poland gets first treatment, and this person has never paid anything to are country, I think it is unfair that someone from another country does not pay a penny to us, where british people have payed their way and told that they can't get treated, britain is a small country, we can't even save 100 million people never mind a billion, if we give everything to immigrants, then we have nothing left for are selfs, look at the facts where everything I have said, and balance it,

We could kick out UKIP members and let some of the immigrants take their place?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

It goes far beyond UKIP. It's common practice.

My opinion on the thread topic overall is pretty much this. Of course they do - but it's not just the Kippers that do it.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We could kick out UKIP members and let some of the immigrants take their place?

I think that would be a really good idea

On a slightly unrelated note though, it's funny how much UKIP members bang on about sovereignty yet none give a flying **** about TTIP. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes and 9/11 was a set up

Yup

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they never went to the moon

Nah, they did.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes, and it's also a tactic used by the media to dehumanise the working class, and more specifically those who are welfare dependent.

People on benefits, immigrants coming over here taking our jobs. It's all the same. Divide and rule, divide and rule.

people who choose to milk benefits are not working class...theyre workless