[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Spoiler:

Look at the open sores and the suspiciously infected looking fingers of this person, tell me your opinion of whether this is a safe practice, not the opinion of sky news.

"Open sores"? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong picture.

[joeysteele]

Anyone preparing sandwiches need to wear gloves and to change those gloves when dealing with different cooked meats too.

No risks should be taken whatsoever in the case of food preparation,washing of hands is not enough, you couldn't be sure whether the hands were washed thoroughly or if it was a quick rinse under the tap.

Again I say,if I was buying a sandwich, it would have to be one I could see being made and if anyone prepared a sandwich for me not wearing clear gloves, then no way would I touch it.
Food hygiene is to important to take even the slightest of risks with.

[user104658]

You can't work in a kitchen wearing gloves though Joey. For mass production you might be right but for "food preparation" across the board it's just not feasible. For example, using plastic gloves while preparing raw chicken then taking them off to prep other foods actually carries a higher risk of cross contamination than simply washing your hands after handling the raw meat. Also the reduced manual dexterity and sensation in gloves increases the risk of cuts and burns during prep and cooking, which is obviously both a safety and a hygiene issue.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You can't work in a kitchen wearing gloves though Joey. For mass production you might be right but for "food preparation" across the board it's just not feasible. For example, using plastic gloves while preparing raw chicken then taking them off to prep other foods actually carries a higher risk of cross contamination than simply washing your hands after handling the raw meat. Also the reduced manual dexterity and sensation in gloves increases the risk of cuts and burns during prep and cooking, which is obviously both a safety and a hygiene issue.

I've been in sandwich shops where the staff have prepared a chicken sandwich then removed the gloves,disposable gloves, and discarded them completely putting a new pair on to prepare something else.
If they are making numbers of chicken sandwiches then prepare all those and then move on to other sandwich ranges,changing and discarding gloves at every point.

That sandwich shop had boxes of those disposable gloves on the counter and the insistence is that gloves have to be used at all times.
People with cuts and burns really should not be preparing any food and certainly not with no gloves on.
I am extremely fussy as to my food preparation and I expect the highest of standards from anyone or any company in their preparation of food, especially as to cold sandwiches.

Hot sandwiches,as to the meat content should have been cooked enough to kill off bacteria,then again I would expect tongs,ladles and spoons to be used ,even in preparing them for someone else.

This is M&S,ASDA,Waitrose etc in this report,big companies, they should be doing a lot better in my view anyway.
Proper hygiene, proper protection and the right people preparing the sandwiches too.
No excuses for me for anything less.

[arista]

Yes also Cocky Sainsburys
and Expensive Boots
Joey.

[user104658]

Fine for sandwich shops / sandwich prep Joey but if you feel that strongly about it, I'd recommend that you never go out for dinner again, to any restaurant or pub, because using gloves at all times to prepare cooked meals is simply not feasible nor is it optimally hygienic. It doesn't happen.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Fine for sandwich shops / sandwich prep Joey but if you feel that strongly about it, I'd recommend that you never go out for dinner again, to any restaurant or pub, because using gloves at all times to prepare cooked meals is simply not feasible nor is it optimally hygienic. It doesn't happen.

Thats OK
I never get Ill
I am Tough

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats OK
I never get Ill
I am Tough

Probably because you haven't been too overly obsessed with food hygiene, arista!

Which is another point. People (all animals, actually) need a good intake of germs and bacteria to build gut strength and the immune system so that if you DO happen to gobble down something nasty, like salmonella, your body can fight it off.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probably because you haven't been too overly obsessed with food hygiene, arista!

Which is another point. People (all animals, actually) need a good intake of germs and bacteria to build gut strength and the immune system so that if you DO happen to gobble down something nasty, like salmonella, your body can fight it off.

Very True

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Fine for sandwich shops / sandwich prep Joey but if you feel that strongly about it, I'd recommend that you never go out for dinner again, to any restaurant or pub, because using gloves at all times to prepare cooked meals is simply not feasible nor is it optimally hygienic. It doesn't happen.

I would only have hot food in a restaurant anyway and as I said, that will have been cooked, or should have been, enough to kill off any bacteria.
I would never have a cold salad in a restaurant or even bits of any salad with anything I ate unless I saw it prepared and going on my plate in front of me.

I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,I had food poisoning as a child and never forgot it.
No way for me anyway, should anyone prepare cold foods/snacks with no disposable gloves on, it may take that bit longer and be an inconvenience but at least it will be safer for the person who has to eat what is prepared.

[arista]

"I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,"


Yes not a good way to be if
we go into WW3

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

"Open sores"? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong picture.

Maybe you are, I see fresh red sores on that finger.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,"


Yes not a good way to be if
we go into WW3

If there was ever a 'real' world war 3,(you have a possible obsession as to a WW3), I doubt eating would be that important,few would likely survive anyway.

Since I enjoy good health and make sure what I eat is correctly cooked.
That I know my food is prepared correctly and more to the point to the highest levels of hygiene,then I think how I am, is a really good way to be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I just eat a lovely sainsbury egg and cress sandwich a minute ago. No probs about how it was prepared. I also had some apple juice and some sausage and tomato crisps. The dog gets the corners. We have the same car picnic every monday and so far we are not dead.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If there was ever a 'real' world war 3,(you have a possible obsession as to a WW3), I doubt eating would be that important,few would likely survive anyway.

Since I enjoy good health and make sure what I eat is correctly cooked.
That I know my food is prepared correctly and more to the point to the highest levels of hygiene,then I think how I am, is a really good way to be.

Thats as I can see the Future

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

"I am just really fussy as to my food and what I eat,"


Yes not a good way to be if
we go into WW3

This genuinely made me laugh. Only you could manage to fit WW3 into a thread about sandwiches .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This genuinely made me laugh. Only you could manage to fit WW3 into a thread about sandwiches .

He is a real character our arista,he and I don't agree much but I think he is fantastic.

No, I take your points too as to sandwiches ad professional kitchens ToySoldier,it is just that I am extremely fussy as to what I eat and how it is prepared.
If I trust the person cooking, no problem.

It is why even when at Uni, I did all the cooking for the 4 of us who shared a house at that time.
Then again, had I waited for them to do it,we would have likely never eaten.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

He is a real character our arista,he and I don't agree much but I think he is fantastic.

No, I take your points too as to sandwiches ad professional kitchens ToySoldier,it is just that I am extremely fussy as to what I eat and how it is prepared.
If I trust the person cooking, no problem.

It is why even when at Uni, I did all the cooking for the 4 of us who shared a house at that time.
Then again, had I waited for them to do it,we would have likely never eaten.

That's fair enough, no one sensible would have eaten anything out of my Uni house kitchen. It was foul. We had maggots three times .

[Kazanne]

Subway,always use gloves when doing subs and you watch them doing it.

[Vanessa]

We always wear gloves at our factory. It's not allowed to touch food without them.

[Kizzy]

I couldn't be doing with this fine dining if they maul your food, I'm so gauche.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Subway,always use gloves when doing subs and you watch them doing it.

Pity the meat tastes like ground up hooves and bollocks.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Pity the meat tastes like ground up hooves and bollocks.

Good job kaz is a veggie

[LemonJam]

Originally Posted by Livia

When you go to a nice restaurant, do you imagine that the chef and all his or her minions wear gloves while they sort out your dinner? No. So long as their hands are washed properly, I don't see a problem.

When was the last time you yourself wore gloves to make someone else a sandwich?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I dropped a venison burger in the devils dogs bowl the other day but as it was going in the grill i did not mind

too many fannys worrying about germs they dont understand or exist