[Jay_Roberts441]

With the falling ratings and negative press and reaction for BB16 I think instead of Channel 5 axing the civillian BB just yet they could change the format and change the times of year BB is run in 2016 and see if running the civillian series in January followed by a CBB is better, also stick to 75 days for BB and 31 days for CBB.

Say for example:

2015:
CBB16: 3 Aug - 31 Aug (31 days)

2016:
BB17: 4 Jan - 18 Mar (75 days)
CBB17: 6 Apr - 6 May (31 days)
CBB18: 31 Aug - 30 Sept (31 days)

Big gap between CBB17 & CBB18 due to:

Euro 2016 from 10 June 2016 to 10 July 2016
Olympics from 5 August 2016 to 21 August 2016

[Rob!]

There has never been a live feed for the Diary room even in the show's hey day.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Rob!

There has never been a live feed for the Diary room even in the show's hey day.

You're right. I was suggesting that as an extra they could do to get more people involved. I really do think creating a great modern website is the key to the future for BB if there is to be one.

They did do live nominations on E4 for one series I can't remember which.

[Rob!]

I really think a year's break wouldn't do any harm. Just give them a chance to recharge and come up with something completely original. The fact that C5 have aired SO many series of BB compared to Channel 4 suggests that they have simply run out of ideas. Maybe a break and a relaunch is what could help it, but the question is whether they think it's worth it.

[abhorson]

Could they just not be radical. And whoever was up for eviction (whether two or three etc) be the ones up, and leave it to the GBP.

Not difficult.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And the feeds throughout 8 and 9 which dropped just as the main shows did. Then the online coverage for BB14 which was dropped after the series ended because.... you guessed it, lack of viewers.

I don't believe anyone has ever given that reason actually. I suspect the Daley incident didn't help in the minds of the people making these decisions. The issue with the live coverage during the Channel 4 one certainly had something to do with the increase in regulations for television.

Did it rise significantly or was it hovering around the same marks as before and floating up and down? Wiki tells me the latter.

You'd have to define a significant rise. The fact is week 2 and 3 were lower than the weeks that followed. That's quite unusual.

Did the live feed attract viewers other than the hardcore, forum browsing variety? The producer's response and subsequent axing of it tells me no.

Who can answer that question. The fact is though that even if only hardcore fans are watching, that means they are talking about it much more on forums and social networking sites and word of mouth always helps.

So did the viewing figures rise and stay at 1.8 in the last couple of weeks because of live feed or because of the Hazel/Daley drama and the subsequent bitchfests with Gina?

Daley was ejected in week 5. It maintained a 1.8+ rating all the way to week 9.

Who needs that when they can simply nominate in front of one another or not nominate at all and let the producers do the choosing?

The reason for it is that it would get the viewers onto the website to watch things unfold live.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

They did do live nominations on E4 for one series I can't remember which.

I really don't think they did.

Apart from special occasions when they would nominate live in a show presented by Davina. Such as the timed nominations in BB10 and CBB7.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I really don't think they did.

Apart from special occasions when they would nominate live in a show presented by Davina. Such as the timed nominations in BB10 and CBB7.

Pretty sure there was one series with live nominations on E4

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I don't believe anyone has ever given that reason actually.

That has been the reason ever since the move to channel 5. Lack of interest makes it completely not worth it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Pretty sure there was one series with live nominations on E4

Which series would this be?

They used to announce nominations results to the house live on BBLB?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That has been the reason ever since the move to channel 5. Lack of interest makes it completely not worth it.

Show me someone involved in Channel 5 giving that as the reason for anything other than the axing of the 7 pm live coverage.

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Show me someone involved in Channel 5 giving that as the reason for anything other than the axing of the 7 pm live coverage.

You do realise that the live feed that was shown on 5* was getting 70k for the majority of it's run and then towards the end was going as low as 8k?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which series would this be?

They used to announce nominations results to the house live on BBLB?

Yeah I know. I've watched since the first series. I'm sure there was an E4 show that did live nominations. Though it might just have been a Diary Room Uncut show. I'm trying to find out

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Show me someone involved in Channel 5 giving that as the reason for anything other than the axing of the 7 pm live coverage.

I really don't care to search at this time in the morning. Maybe search the terms in google might bring stuff up.

But it's certainly not a bizarre notion that it's not worth the money having a 24/7 feed for a show thats life span is spinning out.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Yeah I know. I've watched since the first series. I'm sure there was an E4 show that did live nominations. Though it might just have been a Diary Room Uncut show. I'm trying to find out

Are you sure you're not thinking of Nominations Uncut, which aired on E4, during BB5, CBB3, and BB6?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I really don't care to search at this time in the morning. Maybe search the terms in google might bring stuff up.

But it's certainly not a bizarre notion that it's not worth the money having a 24/7 feed for a show thats life span is spinning out.

Given that no one here knows how much it costs to run and the guy who made the original decision not to do it said that the cost was not the issue, I'm not convinced.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Yeah I know. I've watched since the first series. I'm sure there was an E4 show that did live nominations. Though it might just have been a Diary Room Uncut show. I'm trying to find out

Diary Room Uncut was a regular show in the early years but always showed stuff from days after we'd already seen the highlights from a particular day or uncut nominations clips after we'd already seen the noms in highlights.

I know they never broadcast from the diary room in any live feed apart from snippets in channel 4 live shows.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Given that no one here knows how much it costs to run and the guy who made the original decision not to do it said that the cost was not the issue, I'm not convinced.

Who said cost wasn't the issue?

I don't need to know how much it costs to get that conclusion. Just like I didn't when channel 4 axed it.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by BB6

Are you sure you're not thinking of Nominations Uncut, which aired on E4, during BB5, CBB3, and BB6?

I might be.

Either way this is a digression. I was just suggesting some sort of live diary room feed for nominations as something they could do to get people on the website, getting more involved in the show and talking about it.

There are so many things they could do with that website to make it better it's difficult to know where to begin. As it is, it must be the worst site I've ever seen for an interactive show.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who said cost wasn't the issue?

Jeff Ford did.

[Rob!]

I remember they did live noms from the Diary room ONCE in Julie Goodyears series but it failed massively as it was only on for half an hour and they spent the entire time getting Julie to clarify her nominations and to get some bitchier reasons out of her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Jeff Ford did.

Source?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Source?

I see I'm the one who has to source everything.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I see I'm the one who has to source everything.

No but you're claiming facts, I'm stating what I assume to be the case based on the information we're discussing.

You're stating outright something was said.

[Marsh.]

Anyway, found something...

Ford claimed that people had "moved on" from watching the live feed and cited a drop in numbers of live feed viewers in the later Channel 4 years as a primary reason for the decision.

"We could have done it if we wanted to," he said during a Q&A session at the Edinburgh TV Festival. "Channel 4 did do live streaming, but then they did less and less and less, then it became subscription so it hasn't completely changed radically.

"There was a time when people sleeping or something major happening was the most interesting thing and you had to watch Big Brother['s live feed], but then we all moved on."

Ford said that they had opted to spend the cash on Facebook and Twitter applications and the biggest ever house rather than the feed.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s149/...pfV4cDhb6rNzOZ

Axed because of low figures, low figures means waste of cash so the money was placed elsewhere.

Pretty much the obvious.