[Beetlejuice]

Just another fascinating thread about sexism.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Just another fascinating thread about sexism.

Its the easy option.

[sosadbbend]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Just another fascinating thread about sexism.

I don't like either of them but I can see this happening.

[rusticgal]

Helens Helen...just vile.
Marc can be vile but with him it's more banter...he also listens when he upsets people. Very different to Helen.
Marc's banter seemed to disappear when he went into the bunker...he just became plain nasty. I suspect Helen was an influence to some extent...but Marc should have retained his 'fair play'....it's gone against him. People haven't liked this Marc.
With the ex housemates going soon...he will be on his own bar Simon and Joel. However I think he will back track and try to get his mates back onside. But I don't they will fall for it.
Marc's possibly shot himself in the foot....he could have won.

[Griffin5779]

Don't like Helen..Love Marc....

But what exactly are you trying to Blame on Marc...He sure isn't blame for Helen being a bitch as she was that way before him.

I don't know what you could be referring to aside the Chloe nomination that Brain blew up over...I don't consider that Helens or Marcs fault.

Please let me know what you are talking about so i can decide

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

Don't like Helen..Love Marc....

But what exactly are you trying to Blame on Marc...He sure isn't blame for Helen being a bitch as she was that way before him.

Helen is being blamed for the bad treatment and isolation of Harry. The truth is Marc has been much nastier towards her than Helen has ever been. And long before Helen ever entered the house.

People only seemed to care about Harry when Helen was gunning for her. When Marc was, and saying some deeply unpleasant things about her, the sun shone out of his arse.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Helen is being blamed for the bad treatment and isolation of Harry. The truth is Marc has been much nastier towards her than Helen has ever been. And long before Helen ever entered the house.

People only seemed to care about Harry when Helen was gunning for her. When Marc was, and saying some deeply unpleasant things about her, the sun shone out of his arse.

Oh that line...Harry has isolated herself. I have seen several people try to snap her out of it..she just acts like a 5 year old holding her breath...she has no interest in trying to get along with Marc..or Just avoiding and getting on with her "experience" and I can't recall Marc saying anything to her or about since they re entered the house. She just started being pissy when nominated...and not just towards Marc but the other bunker mates as well proclaiming it their responsibility to come to her...as if

She must have some pretty serious metal Problems to act that way especially when she knows she is on national telly.

The only one who needs to be bitched about regarding their behavior toward harry is Nick...5 minutes after she was nominated he had left her alone and was off hugging the woman who had siad such nasty stuff about her..including that harry was using nick

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Helen is being blamed for the bad treatment and isolation of Harry.

Are you sure ?

What about all the Harry confides in Helen vids popping up ?

Harry is team Marc if you ask me.

And that explains the Christian shocker.

[Pete.]

They both deserve to be loathed tbh and the decrease in Marc's popularity is proof of that

[Withano]

Are you saying that Marc will get a bypass from the housemates or the audience?

I don't think the housemates think he's faultless at all. All of them bar Simon dislike him most of the time. If you're saying audience, then, maybe. But only from the very vocal minority AKA Marc fans.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

Oh that line...Harry has isolated herself. I have seen several people try to snap her out of it..she just acts like a 5 year old holding her breath...she has no interest in trying to get along with Marc.

She's not likely to get along with a man who has repeatedly called her a pig, stinking, smell, disgusting, dangerous and who knows what else is she? Regardless of what you think of the Marc/Hary situation, it's as though it doesn't even exist. And if it does, then it's perfectly fine for Marc to say these things to her.

I can't recall Marc saying anything to her or about since they re entered the house. She just started being pissy when nominated

Actually it was he who seemed to get pissy with her when he got nominated and she didn't.


As I said... Marc's insulting behaviour towards Harry has been completely white washed. It's like it never happened. Only Helen has had anything negative to say about Harry.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Withano

Are you saying that Marc will get a bypass from the housemates or the audience?

I don't think the housemates think he's faultless at all. All of them bar Simon dislike him most of the time. If you're saying audience, then, maybe. But only from the very vocal minority AKA Marc fans.

The audience. If you watch BOTS the narrative is clearly that Marc has been corrupted by Helen. She's to blame for everything. The truth is he was being quite vicious towards Harry before Helen got there.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by the_answers

Are you sure ?

What about all the Harry confides in Helen vids popping up ?

Harry is team Marc if you ask me.

And that explains the Christian shocker.

I'm sorry. What? Harry is team Marc?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

The audience. If you watch BOTS the narrative is clearly that Marc has been corrupted by Helen. She's to blame for everything. The truth is he was being quite vicious towards Harry before Helen got there.

I don't watch BOTS, Rylan exists. But yeah, I agree. Marc fans are clinging on for hope I think.. Pretending he's still a great housemate even though every rational viewer knows that he has been a complete knob nearly all the way through his stay..

Still, the BOTS fans are the diehard fans, and the diehard fans prefer the controversial characters because they're sOOOoooOOooo entertaining, I don't think he's doing as well with the public as you think he is though.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Withano

I don't watch BOTS, Rylan exists. But yeah, I agree. Marc fans are clinging on for hope I think.. Pretending he's still a great housemate even though every rational viewer knows that he has been a complete knob nearly all the way through his stay..

Unfortunately they do seem to influence public thinking. When all these people were feeling sorry for Harry, all the blame was put on Helen (and even Nikki). Not a single mention of Marc's treatment of her. Insofar there was any negativity in regards to Marc it was over him being up Helen's arse. Helen is actually to blame for everything.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

She's not likely to get along with a man who has repeatedly called her a pig, stinking, smell, disgusting, dangerous and who knows what else is she? Regardless of what you think of the Marc/Hary situation, it's as though it doesn't even exist. And if it does, then it's perfectly fine for Marc to say these things to her.




Actually it was he who seemed to get pissy with her when he got nominated and she didn't.


As I said... Marc's insulting behaviour towards Harry has been completely white washed. It's like it never happened. Only Helen has had anything negative to say about Harry.

and Harry of course has nothing but nice things to say about Marc...she continues to slag him off and make him out to be hitler dispite the fact he isn't talking about harry.

do you recall this comment..when danny was trying to cool harry off and told marc wanted to let things settle down..and she replied "no he doesn't..if he did he wouldn't have nominated me..

was harry who started being aggressive after nomination...she had played sweet a week..kissed the originals asses..avoided nomination..and felt she was free to be a bitch now..fair enough..it was 2 way and marc played his part..but it was harry who began acting like a 5 year old because the the house took a neutral stance....

finally..if it had been white washed..where are you getting your information and opinions?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

and Harry of course has nothing but nice things to say about Marc...she continues to slag him off and make him out to be hitler dispite the fact he isn't talking about harry.

Erm, as I have pointed out to you he has repeatedly called her many nasty things and Harry's responses have been to them. Again, this is what I mean about how Marc is just let off for everything.

do you recall this comment..when danny was trying to cool harry off and told marc wanted to let things settle down..and she replied "no he doesn't..if he did he wouldn't have nominated me..

Was that after Marc called her pig as he was leaving the room?

finally..if it had been white washed..where are you getting your information and opinions?

It's been white washed by the viewers who have happily forgotten all this in favour of attacking Helen and blaming her for Marc's downfall. Apparently Marc was just a bit of a wind up merchant before Helen came in. The truth is he was at times vicious

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Erm, as I have pointed out to you he has repeatedly called her many nasty things and Harry's responses have been to them. Again, this is what I mean about how Marc is just let off for everything.



Was that after Marc called her pig as he was leaving the room?




It's been white washed by the viewers who have happily forgotten all this in favour of attacking Helen and blaming her for Marc's downfall. Apparently Marc was just a bit of a wind up merchant before Helen came in. The truth is he was at times vicious

Why are you kids fighting? He hit me first..no she hit me...no he did..no she did..

Harry as nasty to all 3 of the other newbies in order to lick the ass of the originals...Marc clearly has said things..but he said things about everybody..thing ratchet up with harry when she she start to be aggressive Fair play to her..give him a taste of his own medicine..but don't WHITE WASH the nasty thing Harry has said or ignore her childish 5 year old behavior.



Why does it it matter when she made the comment. it was sited to point out that harry is clearly the one who had a problem with nomination... and what happen with the "pig comment" is marc got the the wrong end of the stick..he thought harry was talking about him..his comment was "oh someones calling me a pig" she in turn got the wrong end of the stick and thought he was calling her a pig..i know cause there such a stink over it i must have listen 75 time to be sure

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

Why are you kids fighting? He hit me first..no she hit me...no he did..no she did..

Harry as nasty to all 3 of the other newbies in order to lick the ass of the originals...Marc clearly has said things..but he said things about everybody..thing ratchet up with harry when she she start to be aggressive

You say it "ratchet up" as though it's just an extension of his "banter". In truth, it's something very different with Harry and always has been.

Fair play to her..give him a taste of his own medicine..but don't WHITE WASH the nasty thing Harry has said or ignore her childish 5 year old behavior.

The only white washing going on here is of all the nasty things Marc has said to Harry, which she has responded to. Though apparently the fact she is responding to his behaviour is irrelevant. Anything to make them look like equally guilty parties.

Why does it it matter when she made the comment. it was sited to point out that harry is clearly the one who had a problem with nomination... and what happen with the "pig comment" is marc got the the wrong end of the stick..he thought harry was talking about him..his comment was "oh someones calling me a pig" she in turn got the wrong end of the stick and thought he was calling her a pig..i know cause there such a stink over it i must have listen 75 time to be sure

All I remember his him calling her a pig in a not very subtle manner as he left the room.

[the_answers]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

I'm sorry. What? Harry is team Marc?

Yep you heard it right.

Nick is team Marc.
Nick has Harry for cover. (and vice versa)

Sure Marc and Harry don't like each other.
But have come to an understanding they won't talk but she's "in" just so long as Nick follows Marc.

Why do you think it's been so quiet between them 2 since Marc returned ?

Cos Marcs been recruiting allies (including Nick).
Harry just comes as part of the package.

Now sure, Marc nommed Harry.
Well he had to (or look daft).
Cos what's the alternative ?

Harry can hardly remove herself from Nick even if she wanted to.
She has no choice.

She knows what her best chance is.
Stick with Nick hope he makes it to the final under Marc's group.

She's certainly not gonna form any alliance with the Cristian, Danny, Jack pack when they're all gunning for Nick themselves and she's sticking to him like glue.

[EspeonBB]

Yeah I can see this happening once Hellen leaves. The producers will give him a 'redemption arc' and the public will forgive him because he's a man

[jennyfromtheblock8]

Good point