[joeysteele]

As they all do, Joel has the right to express his surprise and dismay when people get at him for doing nothing wrong.
All Cristian was getting at him for was because he talked to some Cristian would rather he didn't.

Who Joel talks to or who he sits with is nothing at all do to with Cristian or Jack.
Joel has from day one, talked to anyone who talks to him.

Also Joel was fair, when Helen challenged Cristian,saying Joel had said his name, Cristian went with her to Joel who instantly said, he had never said Cristian mentioned Helen's name.

What is maybe annoying Cristian and Jack is that Joel is one of the most amiable people in there and also one of the most honest too.

I also haven't liked the new Cristian,he is looking really silly in fact.
Like Joel I wish he would get back to how he was before as well.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As they all do, Joel has the right to express his surprise and dismay when people get at him for doing nothing wrong.
All Cristian was getting at him for was because he talked to some Cristian would rather he didn't.

Who Joel talks to or who he sits with is nothing at all do to with Cristian or Jack.
Joel has from day one, talked to anyone who talks to him.

Also Joel was fair, when Helen challenged Cristian,saying Joel had said his name, Cristian went with her to Joel who instantly said, he had never said Cristian mentioned Helen's name.

What is maybe annoying Cristian and Jack is that Joel is one of the most amiable people in there and also one of the most honest too.

I also haven't liked the new Cristian,he is looking really silly in fact.
Like Joel I wish he would get back to how he was before as well.

All fair points Joey. The one thing I would have liked to have seen would have been Joel taking Cristian to one side to discuss it. I thought it was a little out of character for Joel to go to Helen with his concerns.

I thought Joel might have taken it up with Cristian, thinking Joel would have wanted to understand more about why Cristian was saying what he did.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Visage

All fair points Joey. The one thing I would have liked to have seen would have been Joel taking Cristian to one side to discuss it. I thought it was a little out of character for Joel to go to Helen with his concerns.

I thought Joel might have taken it up with Cristian, thinking Joel would have wanted to understand more about why Cristian was saying what he did.

Well he tried to really Visage, when Cristian was saying it in the bathroom,he did ask him to explain what he meant and what/who he was on about but Cristian walked away and out of the bathroom after he asked that.

It is not,to be fair,in my view anyway, then for Joel to have to follow on to find him and play to his ego when Crustian had already walked away refusing to engage in any more conversation with him.

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[Santa's NaughtiNess]

I love this new more vocal Cristian.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well he tried to really Visage, when Cristian was saying it in the bathroom,he did ask him to explain what he meant and what/who he was on about but Cristian walked away and out of the bathroom after he asked that.

It is not,to be fair,in my view anyway, then for Joel to have to follow on to find him and play to his ego when Crustian had already walked away refusing to engage in any more conversation with him.

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Oh...

I seem to be forgetting some of the scenes here, that went completely over my head. My apologies then. So much is happening that I really did overlook that one.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Visage

Oh...

I seem to be forgetting some of the scenes here, that went completely over my head. My apologies then. So much is happening that I really did overlook that one.

Easy to overlook things.
I miss loads that goes on.

It actually would have probably sounded daft and petty had Cristian said what he was likely really meaning.
That he feels Joel should only mix with his group and not mix and talk to Helen and/or some others.

I have friends who hate some of my other friends, no one would ever get away with telling me I should not mix or talk to both sets of friends however.

It is for all the housemates to decide who, they mix with and talk to for themselves, and when they choose to do so too.

As I say,I like Cristian but he has made himself look rather silly these last few days in my opinion,and telling anyone else who they can or should talk to is way out of line really.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Joel is a brown noser. Always follows whoever he thinks is most popular. Not genuine and not even that nice. I don't like him.

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Joel is a brown noser. Always follows whoever he thinks is most popular. Not genuine and not even that nice. I don't like him.

Tend to agree. He is very sneaky.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Joel is a brown noser. Always follows whoever he thinks is most popular. Not genuine and not even that nice. I don't like him.

Well that is fine,however in my view not correct, I don't think he does follow who he thinks is popular.

I like him so look at him differently from you obviously but one thing is sure, I certainly would never put up with anyone telling me,not even my closest of friends or family, who I could talk to or who I should mix with.

Those are decisions I will make for myself and as I said Joel should be able to do the same in there, he doesn't go around telling Cristian not to talk to Jack for instance.
All he has said is he doesn't the Cristian of the last few days,I like Cristian, I wouldn't mind him winning still, however I don't like this Cristian of the last few days either.

That is just different opinions I guess but I have never seen Joel really brown nose anyone to be honest.
He generally gets on with near all of them and from day one too.
He isn't however Cristian and Jack's possession.

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Easy to overlook things.
I miss loads that goes on.

It actually would have probably sounded daft and petty had Cristian said what he was likely really meaning.
That he feels Joel should only mix with his group and not mix and talk to Helen and/or some others.

I have friends who hate some of my other friends, no one would ever get away with telling me I should not mix or talk to both sets of friends however.

It is for all the housemates to decide who, they mix with and talk to for themselves, and when they choose to do so too.

As I say,I like Cristian but he has made himself look rather silly these last few days in my opinion,and telling anyone else who they can or should talk to is way out of line really.

To be honest I didn't see it like that at all. I think he was just trying to tell him not to disassociate himself with people that had been his friends. I didn't hear him say that he thought Joel shouldn't be associating with any of the others. Joel and Cristian had been really good friends and very close and I think he just wanted to know why he had suddenly started ignoring him for no reason.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1

To be honest I didn't see it like that at all. I think he was just trying to tell him not to disassociate himself with people that had been his friends. I didn't hear him say that he thought Joel shouldn't be associating with any of the others. Joel and Cristian had been really good friends and very close and I think he just wanted to know why he had suddenly started ignoring him for no reason.

It happens though, I have been out with a large group of friends and some get the view you are avoiding them when you aren't.
Joel told Cristian he wasn't ignoring him and Jack.

The house has a lot of people in it, a lot going on, arguments here and there,some not too bad some ridiculously so.

You cannot just be around all the same people all the time.

I think maybe as you indicate, Cristian feared the loss of Joel's friendship,I don't think he will lose that unless he pursues this route of trying to tell Joel what to do.
That house does the craziest of things to people and you have to find the best coping mechanism you can while in there.
That is all, I think anyway, that Joel and in fact many of them are doing.
No rejection really intended to past and close friendships/connections.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Easy to overlook things.
I miss loads that goes on.

It's crazy sometimes, because I literally see what I want to see and totally miss something that could potentially alter my opinion.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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It actually would have probably sounded daft and petty had Cristian said what he was likely really meaning.
That he feels Joel should only mix with his group and not mix and talk to Helen and/or some others.

Yes, when you put it in simple terms it does make him look a little childish.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As I say,I like Cristian but he has made himself look rather silly these last few days in my opinion,and telling anyone else who they can or should talk to is way out of line really.

True, but it adds another spark to the drama