[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by kizwiz

Its about feelings.... an emotion every human has..... each person is an individual and as such its irrelevant as to who is attracted to whom.

Not whether is it "natural" as you say.

I take your point, I dont mean to single out individuals or hurt anyones feelings at all.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

Your post speaks volumes about yourself. And so does your attitude.

And I notice your mood on your avvy. Is that supposed to be funny?

I changed it hoping to spread some light on the situation but obviously your sense of humour is at an all time low so i'll change it.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

There is no attitude, i'm not going to say i've learned loads because I haven't this thread hasn't taught me anything I didn't already know accept unnatural may be the wrong term. You can insult me all you want but you can't answer the question, so your arguments have no backbone. That speaks volumes about you.

Can't answer what question? Have you read any of my posts? I made one rather long one and all you could comment on was that you didn't say you "couldn't stand" gays. Your arrogance astounds me. Ask yourself how many members are agreeing with you here, and how many are disagreeing.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I changed it hoping to spread some light on the situation but obviously your sense of humour is at an all time low so i'll change it.

I am sure everyone on this forum knows what my sense of humour is like. Just do not find this subject one to particularly joke about unlike yourself. Hence why it is posted in "serious debates". Maybe I should post "loving the victims" in a thread on rape "just for a laugh".

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce? And in your view men and women were put on this earth to reproduce? Feelings don't come into it at all? Do me a favour, and ask some gay people, had they the choice, would they rather be straight or gay? You may be surprised by some of the answers some people come out with, all because of the bigotry in todays society and the intolerance some people have.

You say that it's not wrong, but you clearly have a problem with it if you can't stand to see 2 men or 2 men kissing. I view them as people. Maybe you need to open your mind and view things differently, as it is clearly you that has the problem. Think about it.

I'm guessing you mean this one.

I chose to ignore it because all you did was mis-quote me. When have I said gay people as a whole are unnatural because they cant reproduce? The rest is irelevant so I let it go.

[Wiglet]

I have not been a member here and have seen a few seriously vitriolic homophobic posters come and go but xXEtchieXx probably represents a large proportion of males in this country. I am not saying all but a fair few.

There are many who do not want to admit to their feelings about homosexual men because if they do they fear they will be ostracized and this is exactly what has happened here to a certain extent. There are probably woman who feel the same way about lesbians too if the truth be told but the truth is not told is it?

The younger generation will talk about this more as you have pointed out but the older ones will not. This is an excellent thread and the more this is discussed the more intolerance is wiped out.

Well done everyone who has contributed.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I'm guessing you mean this one.

I chose to ignore it because all you did was mis-quote me. When have I said gay people as a whole are unnatural because they cant reproduce? The rest is irelevant so I let it go.

Can you point out where I have misquoted you please? At least back up your allegations. And the reast is irrelevant is it? How opinionated you are.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

I am sure everyone on this forum knows what my sense of humour is like. Just do not find this subject one to particularly joke about unlike yourself. Hence why it is posted in "serious debates". Maybe I should post "loving the victims" in a thread on rape "just for a laugh".

Utter garbage. What a comparison, it's not like we're talking about gay people being killed or raped are we? We were arguing about homophobia on a forum. I'm not gonna argue with someone who puts homophobia in the same category as rape. Incredible!

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

So your point here now is that gay people are "unatural" because they can't reproduce?

I didn't state or incinuate that.
The rest was irelevant to what was being discussed.
And yes I am opinionated, opinionated and proud of it!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Utter garbage. What a comparison, it's not like we're talking about gay people being killed or raped are we? We were arguing about homophobia on a forum. I'm not going to argue with someone who puts homophobia in the same category as rape. Incredible!

You fail to see the irony. You are trivialising something that is a serious subject. You have no argument, you are just prejudiced in my opinion. I think everyone can see that now.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx

I didn't state or incinuate that.

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

I didn't state or incinuate that.
The rest was irelevant to what was being discussed.
And yes I am opinionated, opinionated and proud of it!

Don't know how the thought entered my head then?

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30

You said that clearly, and you assumed that later, don't get us wrong with that ! You may offended some people on the forum, that's weird.

Quote me.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx

Quote me.

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

Quote me.

Quote - "I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?"

This states quite clearly to me that it is unnatural as men cannot reproduce. Anyone else care to comment?

[Captain.Remy]

Therefore you state and incinuate that !

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

Quote - "I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce?"

This states quite clearly to me that it is unnatural as men cannot reproduce. Anyone else care to comment?

That's about two men kissing on BB not gay people as a whole.
And you would say that that is me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce is it?! LOL

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30

"Can two men reproduce?
And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

And thats me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce? No it isn't.

[Captain.Remy]

"I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce? And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Are you blind or what ? Really ! It makes me sick that you can't see what you said and the meaning of that.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by xXEtchieXx

And you would say that that is me saying homosexuals are unnatural because they cannot reproduce is it?!

I have already, or did you miss that too? It would be interesting if some other members would comment on this.

[Mrluvaluva]

I have to go now, but I will respond to any comments tomorrow. Do not worry.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Mrluvaluva
I have to go now, but I will respond to any comments tomorrow. Do not worry.

I will for you !

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by sunshine30
"I think it's natural in a reproductive sense, what men and women were put here to do. Can two men reproduce? And yes its unnatural for two women to kiss also, doesn't make it wrong though does it."

Are you blind or what ? Really ! It makes me sick that you can't see what you said and the meaning of that.

Yes if you read the posts before that you would see that was about the act of men & men kissing, not gay people as a whole.

[Taijitu]

Isnt the issue of "natural" and "unnatural" just down to semantics?

Anyway, thanks for this thread as it has made me realise why I have felt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing and embracing. Not saying that this is the case for anyone else but it goes like this:

If anyone sees something that the link to sex they will oftern get turned on, the same goes for words such as lust, caress, kiss etc.. When a "straight" guy sees two men kissing they may get turned on by it as they are linking it to sex. Since they feel they are only attracted to the opposite sex this will most likely confuse them and they chose to blank it out rather then come to terms with it. If they feel very confused they may try to take it out on those they feel are responsible, i.e. the two men.

As I say it may well not be the case for anyone else but I find it interesting.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : xXEtchieXx

Yes if you read the posts before that you would see that was about the act of men & men kissing, not gay people.

what are the most of time, 2 men kissing ? Pathetic, you have no excuse really. I said "the most of time" don't get me wrong with that.
As a straight guy, for me it doesn't matter really what 2 men do in their bed. One of my friend is lesbian and when we go in nightclubs, and she kisses a girl, for us, it's like if I do it with my girlfriend.
After, there is the sort of "I kiss you but I'm straight" game. It's just for fun, 2 girls kissing or 2 guys kissing. There is nothing about homosexuality.