[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by wiglet
I have not been a member here and have seen a few seriously vitriolic homophobic posters come and go but xXEtchieXx probably represents a large proportion of males in this country. I am not saying all but a fair few.

There are many who do not want to admit to their feelings about homosexual men because if they do they fear they will be ostracized and this is exactly what has happened here to a certain extent. There are probably woman who feel the same way about lesbians too if the truth be told but the truth is not told is it?

The younger generation will talk about this more as you have pointed out but the older ones will not. This is an excellent thread and the more this is discussed the more intolerance is wiped out.

Well done everyone who has contributed.

I cant quite believe that the most sensible post in the thread has been over looked.

Wiglet you speak wise words - this is a great, well thought out post

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

I cant quite believe that the most sensible post in the thread has been over looked.

Wiglet you speak wise words - this is a great, well thought out post

Couldnt agree with you more

Karma + for wiglet

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Well whats the deal?

Whats been you experience on here? Do you believe that maybe the problem is age? or ignorance? or somthing more sinister?

I find it quite disturbing,so usually i just sit back and read,but Im surprised it isnt as policed as racism.

Maybe its just acceptable in the media and half these kids think its ok
as it was said on BBBM and various other media outlets,Chris moyles can make homophobic comments on his radio show and nothing is said about it,yet Emily who makes a racially unacceptable word (yet not in a hatefull contest) and gets punished harshly (in T.V standards)

But i must give kudos to alot of the mods (specially red moon) who seem quick of the mark to check it om here,but Im surprised it even happens

I think to say it is rampant is a little unfair, when you look at the actual size of the membership you will find that it is actually a small minority who are actually out and out homophobic.

Some posters are thoughtless and that comes from lack of life experience or life skills. Some people have very limited communication skills which shines through in posts.

I know if I see anything that looks homophobic I take immediate action, but sometimes debate about these issues is healthy, it allows people to be educated through debate.

Also at the bottom end we have some mean, nasty members who are going to do and say anything to get a rise and they are the ones we all need to look out for really.

I agree with what you say about Chris Moyles ( I love him) he does get away with making many homophobic comments, but they are usually made to Aled who has accepted them as part of his role in the show which is a shame really, I would love to hear him stick up to Moyles and let rip!!

[Wiglet]

Without wishing to stir up a great big pot, I read the post by xEtchieXx to which we are now banging on about,( the nicest possible sense) to read that sex between two men was unnatural.

I was rather shocked to read it stated like that and took in a little, but deep intake of breath because I knew darn well you were going to put yourself in a whole lot of trouble. You then dug yourself a deeper hole with further comments.

What you are stating some people will agree with. But tell me, do you have a perception of what a gay man/woman is and is it a case of you are fine with people being gay as long as 'they get on with it in their own yard'? Without putting words in your mouth that is what it looks like.

I don't know if that is homophobia or straight forward ignorance?

[Wiglet]

Thank you for my karma

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by wiglet
Thank you for my karma

welcome wiglet I gave you Karma for an excellent post

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by wiglet
Thank you for my karma

[Taijitu]

Can some comment please on my theory in my last post about why straight men may have a problem with seeing two men kissing, would be interested in your views, esp. Psylocke's. .

Edit: Wiglet, always enjoy reading your posts on all the topics .

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Taijitu
Isnt the issue of "natural" and "unnatural" just down to semantics?

Anyway, thanks for this thread as it has made me realise why I have felt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing and embracing. Not saying that this is the case for anyone else but it goes like this:

If anyone sees something that the link to sex they will oftern get turned on, the same goes for words such as lust, caress, kiss etc.. When a "straight" guy sees two men kissing they may get turned on by it as they are linking it to sex. Since they feel they are only attracted to the opposite sex this will most likely confuse them and they chose to blank it out rather then come to terms with it. If they feel very confused they may try to take it out on those they feel are responsible, i.e. the two men.

As I say it may well not be the case for anyone else but I find it interesting.

very Interesting perspective,and one that psycologists use in determining why some people are violent homophobes.

People that hate somone else,espically others sexuality,usually are uncomfortable because somwhere inside them they are unsure or confused about there own sexuality.they use others as a focus for there confusion which usually turns to hate.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by wiglet
Thank you for my karma

[Captain.Remy]

I think I will resume what's going on:

homophobic people ! Accept the others, you are just jealous !

Is that alright ?

Swearing or trying to use swear words with stars in place is against forum rules, warning will be issued if this continues - sunny_01

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by Psylocke

very Interesting perspective,and one that psycologists use in determining why some people are violent homophobes.

People that hate somone else,espically others sexuality,usually are uncomfortable because somwhere inside them they are unsure or confused about there own sexuality.they use others as a focus for there confusion which usually turns to hate.

Hehe, good point, I have studied psychology a long time ago but didnt consciously link theory into practice or into my own experience (always nice when you can link the two though).

I honestly believe the best way to deal with homophobic attitudes is to first understand where they are coming from and then lead them to where you are or atleast a place where both sides can get on with one another.

Thanks for your reply.

[lily.]

Taijitu : We should all take on board your theory and the next time we see a homophobic post we should simply just respond to the poster with "You're gay!"




Note: This post was created with the intention of adding some humour onto the end of a very well debated subject. The author of this post takes no responsibility for any offense caused to members who may or may not have a sense of humour.

[Gap]

xXEtchieXx, the problem with your post was, you made a compasrison on the fact that it was two men not for the fact that it was Gerry and Seany kissing. It may not have been homophobic but just be carefull beore you tap or bang next time. You're angry or just not thinking, who knows?

[Psylocke]

Nice av Stropz

[lily.]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nice av Stropz

Thanks mate! Did you like my wee joke as well?

[Psylocke]

stropz i did

[Dr43%er]

Homosexuals are gay.

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nice av Stropz

Call me conservative and I honestly do not want to offend anyone but IMO I don't think that is an appropriate avatar for a forum with young members.

[Mrluvaluva]

Why Kristen?

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Why Kristen?

I don't know. It's just if I had kids I wouldn't want them seeing it.
I'm sure a lot of people would disagree and consider me stupid but I just think there are better ways to express yourself.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Kristen

I don't know. It's just if I had kids I wouldn't want them seeing it.
I'm sure a lot of people would disagree and consider me stupid but I just think there are better ways to express yourself.

Is it just because it is 2 people kissing? Or do you think that particualr pic is slightly sexual?

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

Is it just because it is 2 people kissing? Or do you think that particualr pic is slightly sexual?

The fact they both have their shirts off is sexual.
I have to admit when I heard Gerry and Seany both kissed I was a little grossed out but not because they were both men. I was grossed out because I find neither of them slightly attractive.
I didn't mind when Jason and Dan kissed because I thought Jason was fit. Maybe not all the 'yuk's' and 'eurgh's' were homophobic.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Kristen

Maybe not all the 'yuk's' and 'eurgh's' were homophobic.

That could be true, but on such sensitive an issue, I think members need to explain themselves a bit better as you have done. Thanks.

[Captain.Remy]

It shows that you are disgusted by this, for you then it's not the same thing as a straight couple. I don't think you do that if Mikey and Grace are kissing isn't it ?